polanski granted bail

[Yer Blues]

thoughts?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8379141.stm

 

[Irish_Shrimper]

Ten quid says he ends up hiding out at the Premier Inn, in Maidstone - like Jo Couzens today. If he comes out with a Kev Maher Gills jersey on then I will pay the bail money lost, and make Falcon Greenberg a cup of tea also.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Good.He should never have been arrested in the first place.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Good.He should never have been arrested in the first place.

Yeah, nobody should get any hassle for buggering a child, couldn't agree more. The ****er should have been strung up.

 

[Smudger]

Yeah, nobody should get any hassle for buggering a child, couldn't agree more. The ****er should have been strung up.

To be fair, didn't he drug her first then bugger her?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

To be fair, didn't he drug her first then bugger her?

It was just a couple of ludes, no class As, so you can see the argument why he should be let off, as long as you're pro-nonce that is.

Personally, I see some poetic justic in Polanski being gang raped by the chuckleheads in the Californian penal system until the day he dies. It would warm him up nicely for what awaits him in hell.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

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It was just a couple of ludes, no class As, so you can see the argument why he should be let off, as long as you're pro-nonce that is.<

I wouldn't exactly describe myself as "pro-nonce" though as an ex-social worker I AM sympathetic to paedophiles who are no longer likely to re-offend.
As someone with a 15 year old daughter(16 next week)I can also see the problem from a parent's viewpoint.:soapbox:

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I wouldn't exactly describe myself as "pro-nonce" though as an ex-social worker I AM sympathetic to paedophiles who are no longer likely to re-offend.

I am sympathetic to paedophiles who reside in shallow unmarked graves.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I am sympathetic to paedophiles who reside in shallow unmarked graves.

It IS of course a moot point whether or not Polanski WAS a paedophile.What he did (which of course was unacceptable)took place a long time ago when he was still recovering from the tragic death of his wife.
Personally I think he's suffered enough in his life-remember his war experiences.
The girl(now a woman)who he had under-age sex with has forgiven him
(and been financially compensated privately).
Realistically at his age there is almost no chance of him re-offending.He is in fact happily married.
What sort of justice would it be to put him in jail now for something that happened over 30 years ago?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

It IS of course a moot point whether or not Polanski WAS a paedophile.What he did (which of course was unacceptable)took place a long time ago when he was still recovering from the tragic death of his wife.
Personally I tink he's suffered enough in his life-remember his war experiences.
The girl(now a woman)who he had under-age sex with has forgiven him
(and been financially compensated privately).
Realistically at his age there is almost no chance of him re-offending.He is in fact happily married.
What sort of justice would it be to put him in jail now for something that happened over 30 years ago?

The same sort of justice that sees Nazi war criminals still being hunted my friend, and which punishes sick ****s like Polanski for drugging, raping and sodomizing underage girls. My kinda justice in fact.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The same sort of justice that sees Nazi war criminals still being hunted my friend, and which punishes sick ****s like Polanski for drugging, raping and sodomizing underage girls. My kinda justice in fact.

Did you ever see John Hurt in "The Naked Civil Servant" the dramatisation of Quentin Crisp's colourful life?
I'm thinking of the scene when a gang of drunken louts burst into a gay cafe and beat up the clientele.As John Hurt/Quentin Crisp pointed out to the ringleader "Why don't you leave now before you're friends realise you're one of us?"
Sometimes a little compassion can go a long way in life.
BTW I agree completely with you about Nazi war criminals being brought to justice,however long it takes and however long after the event.
But I really don't think you're comparing like with like crimes here.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Did you ever see John Hurt in "The Naked Civil Servant" the dramatisation of Quenten Crisp's colourful life?
I'm thinking of the scene when a gang of drunken louts burst into a gay cafe and beat up the clientele.As John Hurt/Quenten Crisp pointed out to the ringleader "Why don't you leave now before you're friends realise you're one of us?"
Sometimes a little compassion can go a long way in life.
BTW I agree completely with you about Nazi war criminals being brought to justice,however long it takes and however long after the event.
But I really don't think you're comparing like with like crimes here.

I rate both genocide and paedophilia as Champions' League certainties in the Premiership of atrocities.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I rate both genocide and paedophilia as Champions' League certainties in the Premiership of atrocities.

Then it's a good thing you're not in the legal profession or a social worker.
If you can't see there IS a difference between mass genocide and paedophilia then frankly I feel sorry for you.In addition speaking about these two crimes in terms of football(even on SZ)is obscene.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Then it's a good thing you're not in the legal profession or a social worker.

Yeah because a bit less bleeding-heart crap would be so harmful to both professions. You realise that you're trying to trivialise an act of child rape? If that's a typical social worker's opinion, no wonder kids like Baby Peter haven't got a hope in hell.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yeah because a bit less bleeding-heart crap would be so harmful to both professions. You realise that you're trying to trivialise an act of child rape? QUOTE]

Nobody is trying to trivialise anything.What happened,happened a long time ago and there were extenuating circumstances.
The only reason that this has become an issue again(apart from Polanski's arrest in Switzerland and subsequent release on bail)is the recent US documentary on the case which revealed serious flaws in the original trial along with the deal that Polanski's Lawyer had made with the D.A.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

If that's a typical social worker's opinion, no wonder kids like Baby Peter haven't got a hope in hell.

I did say I was an EX-social worker.Do try and keep up.Pip,Pip! :)

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Yeah because a bit less bleeding-heart crap would be so harmful to both professions. You realise that you're trying to trivialise an act of child rape? QUOTE]

Nobody is trying to trivialise anything.What happened,happened a long time ago and there were extenuating circumstances.
The only reason that this has become an issue again(apart from Polanski's arrest in Switzerland and subsequent release on bail)is the recent US documentary on the case which revealed serious flaws in the original trial along with the deal that Polanski's Lawyer had made with the D.A.

What possible 'extenuating circumstances' can there be for drugging, raping and sodomising a 15 year old girl. I don't buy the bad childhood etc rubbish, as we are all responsible for our own actions

 

[Hotman]

Then it's a good thing you're not in the legal profession or a social worker.
If you can't see there IS a difference between mass genocide and paedophilia then frankly I feel sorry for you.In addition speaking about these two crimes in terms of football(even on SZ)is obscene.

As obscene as a social worker supporting a nonce?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

As obscene as a social worker supporting a nonce?

First off -as I said before-(Ho,Hum)I'm an EX-social worker.
Second,nonce is an extremely offensive word for what I think we would both agree is a vile thing.

Having sex with an under age girl on one occasion only does NOT make Polanski a nonce, neither now or then.

We really don't do teenage sexuality well in the UK(or in the States for that matter).Have a look at Margaret Mead's excellent "Coming of age in Samoa" for a balanced look at how a so called primitive society deals with this issue.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What possible 'extenuating circumstances' can there be for drugging, raping and sodomising a 15 year old girl. I don't buy the bad childhood etc rubbish, as we are all responsible for our own actions

This is getting rather tiresome.I've mentioned the "extenuating circumstances" previously in this thread.You refer to one of them above ie what you refer to as the "bad childhood etc rubbish."
I agree that we're all responsible for our own actions.I believe that Polanski has atoned for his.You clearly don't.