Singh

[Irate Ian]

I don't think so. From memory I think Smith only received one red card whilst with us and that was in the legendary 3-2 win over Swansea with only eight men. Singh definitely didn't ref that one.

Must be confusing it with another, does anyone have reference to a list of SUFC players booked and sent off by Mr Singh, and what percentages are for us compared with other games he officiates.

 

[Mick]

Must be confusing it with another, does anyone have reference to a list of SUFC players booked and sent off by Mr Singh, and what percentages are for us compared with other games he officiates.

Prior to Friday, in 5 League matches he cautioned 3 Southend players (incl Maher twice) and 5 visitors. This is low by any standards and supports the view that he has previously been a decent official at Roots Hall.

He also did a League Cup game with 6 cautions shared equally between us and Watford.

He has averaged just under 3 cards a match.

There is absolutely no evidence of systemic bias ..... just a "bad day at the office".

 

[Irate Ian]

Prior to Friday, in 5 League matches he cautioned 3 Southend players (incl Maher twice) and 5 visitors. This is low by any standards and supports the view that he has previously been a decent official at Roots Hall.

He also did a League Cup game with 6 cautions shared equally between us and Watford.

He has averaged just under 3 cards a match.

There is absolutely no evidence of systemic bias ..... just a "bad day at the office".

Thanks, apprreciate your efforts on dragging up the stats, Mick.

Agree he had a poor game but no bias arises.

 

[Lord Football]

So, does that mean you will withdraw you frothingly mad comments about him earlier in this thread?

 

[returningshrimper]

Why are we still going on about this. Yes I was disapoinnted on the night with the decisions made by the ref, but to suggest bias is plain ridiculas

 

[jassyfa1]

Why are we still going on about this. Yes I was disapoinnted on the night with the decisions made by the ref, but to suggest bias is plain ridiculas

Because Lord Football will not give up until everybody agrees with him. Trust me on this im his brother.
As for my opinion, I was not at the game and has not seen the incident on virgin media, so I have no comment.

 

[Lord Football]

That's a fair cop.....

 

[Irate Ian]

That's a fair cop.....

Yes, with apologies.

Let's see what the appeal process makes of it.

 

[Lord Football]

No, I was talking to the previous poster who claims to be my brother (and with some justification).

The point still remains. I am right and you are talking out your rear end.

 

[jassyfa1]

No, I was talking to the previous poster who claims to be my brother (and with some justification).

The point still remains. I am right and you are talking out your rear end.

See he never gives up. In fact my brother is such a git he gave me negative rep points for saying red indians should be allowed to do the archery in the olympics.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Excuse me. What a lot of cobblers you lot are spouting.

Fact is, we were the better team and lost. Ref's fault? No. If you go in two footed and studs up, like Moussa did, you get sent off. End of, no complaints. If a Brighton player had done that (and none of them did) and not been sent off, we'd have been up in arms.

We can't complain about any of the cautions and the ones dished out to Brighton players were spot on as well.

I don't recall many, if any, decisions he gave that looked wrong. It seems to me that a few of you have forgotten how to lose.

He didn't one foot is on the floor and his leg is bent back!!!

 

[Pubey]

just seen the moussa incident for the first time, looks an extremely harsh sending off, but i doubt we'll win the appeal

 

[limpshrimp]

Sitting in the East stand i had a very clear view of the incident, it was never a sending off, and what made it worse was that the lino had a clear view of the incident and he did not flag at all, nor did the ref even attempt to speak to him.

Then when sawyer came on he booked him pretty much straight away. A decent ref would have had a word and told him to calm down get in to speed of game etc..., bloody terrible ref, the game is being destroyed by the standard of ref's. It was not a dirty game, the number of cards dished was crazy.

Still Pretty damned annoyed how the game became all about one person, and not the performance of the eleven!!!!!!!

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

just seen the moussa incident for the first time, looks an extremely harsh sending off, but i doubt we'll win the appeal

Just seen it for the first time & Moussa isnt exactly flying into the tackle is he. Looks like hardly any contact was made, maybe I'm wrong & the Brighton players has stud marks all over his leg, stomach, chest or head (where did Moussa 'catch' him?)

Yep I think the camera angle is to far away for anyone to be able to say the ref was wrong. So the only way it will be overturned is if Singh admits he has made a mistake & that won't happen.

 

[Mick]

Sitting in the East stand i had a very clear view of the incident, it was never a sending off, and what made it worse was that the lino had a clear view of the incident and he did not flag at all, nor did the ref even attempt to speak to him.

Then when sawyer came on he booked him pretty much straight away. A decent ref would have had a word and told him to calm down get in to speed of game etc..., bloody terrible ref, the game is being destroyed by the standard of ref's. It was not a dirty game, the number of cards dished was crazy.

Still Pretty damned annoyed how the game became all about one person, and not the performance of the eleven!!!!!!!

It was a dirty game, by modern standards. As I said elsewhere, I too would have given Sawyer a little more leeway (pun intended) but other than the Moussa incident you can't really quibble about the cards. Indeed there might have been more.

 

[jerseyshrimper]

It was a dirty game, by modern standards. As I said elsewhere, I too would have given Sawyer a little more leeway (pun intended) but other than the Moussa incident you can't really quibble about the cards. Indeed there might have been more.

I would think tilly will submit his own video and hopefully that is closer in to the incident, but like you say singh aint gonna admit he was wrong

 

[Fish]

Come in on this one a bit late, as I was away over the weekend so didn't get to the game. I have watched the Virgin highlights, and read the entire thread, and there's a few comments that I wanted to respond to. I'm not a football referee, but I am a qualified hockey umpire and umpire to a reasonably high (regional) level. there are many similarities in the technique of managing a competitive game that give me (perhaps like Lord Football) a different perspective on things than those of some on this thread.

Firstly, Moussa clearly did not go in with both feet, nor was he going in at very high speed either. I'm therefore not sure that the tackle could be deemed reckless. Added to that, the reactions of the players around the incident do not suggest the tackle looked that bad. On a night where Revell had already gone in over the top on the keeper and sparked a melee, you would have expected tempers to boil over immediately with players running from distance to get involved. In actual fact, none of the Brighton players near the incident seem to bat an eyelid, and the one nearest Moussa when Singh gets his card out looks positively surprised. IMHO, Singh should have been more aware of these very simple pointers before making such an irreversible decision as a red card.

Secondly, Lord Football and others have taken flack for suggesting that refs should have a word with players when brandishing a yellow card. If you look in the laws of football, I believe the word for yelllow (and, for that matter, red cards) is 'warning' cards. Anyone with a modicum of management skills will understand that if you're going to give someone a public warning for something, it's only fair on them to explain why. Moreover, with a yellow card, the referee who doesn't explain what a yellow is for is just asking for trouble later in the game.

Thirdly, comments about Singh being fit to referee the game or not miss the point. There's only a finite amount of referees in this country, and football is in a much worse state than hockey, with a crass shortage of poeple willing to do it. That means that if we believe Singh is not good enough to ref at this level, do we honestly think that the league should banish him from it? If you follow this logic we'd all have to pack up and go home. Southend are approximately amonsgt the top 60 clubs in the country - that means that week in, week out, there may well be 29 other referees in the country better than the one we get. If the 30th one is not good enough for us, that's cos there aren't enough good refs to go round, and that's the problem of football as a game, not the poor sod who's allocated to our game on a Saturday / Friday night. The reason for this is partly that on forums like this refs only get criticism, they rarely get praised.

Singh evidently seemed to have an off day on Friday - sounds like Revell and one of the Brighton players could / should have gone early on, he seems to have misjudged the Moussa tackle but we can't prove it. He is one of the better refs (in terms of technique) that I can think of that we get. Players prefer refs who communicate with them, and explain what's happening (in fact, I think I remember Macca saying that very thing last year about a ref, tho not Singh if I recall correctly). Singh is one of the best at that (as is Webb).

Lastly, football refs are not helped by some of the stupid things they have to do. Most of the time, when a free kick is awarded, it takes all of the flow and advantage away from the attacking team, especially with this comical marching forward ten yards with whistle held aloft. Players being allowed to stand over the ball preventing the oppo taking a freek kick is another one, and the amount of abuse that referees put up with is farcical, I don't understand why they put up with it. Refs who allow the game to flow with quick free kicks get much less abuse because players don't have time to complain - they have to get back to defend. Refs also aren't helped by the fact they've got very limited tools to help them calm players down. I've said it before and will say it again, football needs a sin-bin system, like we have in rugby and hockey. That would have been ideal for the Revell situation and would certainly help take the sting out of the game. At the moment, the only two options a ref has on formal warnings is a yellow, which allows the player in question to jog on and resume his behaviour immediately, or a red, which is a big decision as it has an irreversible effect on the game at the time and others following it for the player in question.

I would love to see some of the more lively anti-Singh ranters officiate a game and see how they find it. It's not just about getting the decisions right, there's a whole lot more going on out there that from the stands with an untrained eye you simply don't see.