Singh

[CC51DAS]

I wonder if , on reflection , they will appeal .

Our players were going in with 2 footed lunges all night - even tho Macca wasn't playing - and the resultant sending off was inevitable .

Its a lack of discipline in the end and something that should have been eradicated on the training ground.

Listening to Tilson on the way home , I felt he was embarrassed and didn't know what to say , so as Beefy points out , he has to blame someone .

Simple fact - if it is made clear to players that you don't go lunging in otherwise the ref will send you off - then they either don't get sent off or if they lose their discipline they get fined.

 

[Irate Ian]

Oh I should point out I was Class 1 referee until last season (still would be if I could be bothered to reregister again), so I do actually have some idea what I am talking about.

I could shread some of the utter garbage I've read tonight, but franky, I'd be here all night.

That's the trouble with some referees, opinionated, want to be the centre of attention.

The best refs are seen & whistle not often heard, being capable of controlling a game and 22 players to enable the football match to be be the spectacle it should be to the paying public.

Singh and other refs would do well should study Howard Webb's style and approach. It's all about man management and afraid to say that Singh lost the plot and the respect of players and fans alike for his lack of even handedness.

He seems to have a downer on us. On a previous occaion when he officiated, we were I think top of the foul play league and he seems to be under the impression that his job is to be overly biased and protective of the away teams when at RH [has some pre-conceived notion].

About time that Singh learned that being combative is a permissable part of football.

From recollection the player tackled by Moussa did not even need treatment, yet he writhed as if in agony or had suffered serious damage. He got Moussa sent off IMO and faining injury seems to be part of Brightons tactical makeup.

A booking rather than a knee jerk reaction would surely have sufficed.

 

[Holy Joe]

Well from your vantage point in the SU it was never in any doubt was it...
i mean seeing it happened on the half-way line you must be the best-placed to comment right?:D

On that basis isn't the ref in the best position of everyone????

Singh is normally a good ref, but everyone has a bad day in the office now and again. He hasn't become a crap ref overnight.

 

[Lord Football]

We havent had Class 1 refs for quite a while now.....you may be getting confused Lord Football.

Anyway, I saw the foul on Sky Sports earlier and borderline red card IMO....you see some given as red, some as yellow. Perhaps, what went before had a bearing on the refs decision (not right I know).

But whatever you say, it was a two footed tackle with studs showing, so it was always running the risk of a card of some sorts.

No, I used to be a Class 1 referee. I then became a Level 5 when they re-organised it a few years back, but most people outside of the "closed shop" still refer to them as Class 1s.

I also appoint most local referees to local games in the area and have been an Officer of the County Refs Association in the past.

Hope that clarifies any misunderstandings of attempts to keep it simple.

 

[class]

I'm suprised Singh wasn't wearing a pink turban last night.

 

[slimshaney]

when you think about it we got off lightly beacause Revell should have got a red for the the tackle on the goal keeper, we can't blam the ref for the idiots on the field going in with studs up

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Kuipers retaliated and that IS a Red card..

As for the Moussa incident, both players went into the tackle exactly the same. The difference is that Moussa got straight up and thr Brighton player rolled around like he had been shot by a sniper, which made Singh's decision for him.


Loved it in the second half, when Revell was bearing down of Kuipers and he made another horrendous clearance, Revell laughed right in his face...bloody hilarious, I really hope there is a picture of it on the OS.

 

[Lord Football]

That's the trouble with some referees, opinionated, want to be the centre of attention.

The best refs are seen & whistle not often heard, being capable of controlling a game and 22 players to enable the football match to be be the spectacle it should be to the paying public.

Singh and other refs would do well should study Howard Webb's style and approach. It's all about man management and afraid to say that Singh lost the plot and the respect of players and fans alike for his lack of even handedness.

He seems to have a downer on us. On a previous occaion when he officiated, we were I think top of the foul play league and he seems to be under the impression that his job is to be overly biased and protective of the away teams when at RH [has some pre-conceived notion].

About time that Singh learned that being combative is a permissable part of football.

From recollection the player tackled by Moussa did not even need treatment, yet he writhed as if in agony or had suffered serious damage. He got Moussa sent off IMO and faining injury seems to be part of Brightons tactical makeup.

A booking rather than a knee jerk reaction would surely have sufficed.

I agree with your opening bit. Referees have to be opinionated, because they have to apply Law in their opinion. But let us put this into perspective - I have given my opinion from a position of knowledge - you may agree or disagree because that is what is forum is about and that is what debate is about. I note you too have given your opinion. Does that make you a referee :)

SZ has been full of bile towards a referee who did his job. He sent the player off correctly. He didn't have a bad game and if the red never happened, there wouldn't have been a comment or debate.

Singh controlled the game correctly, he had nowhere to go with Moussa and the other cautions were correct. Other than that, you didn't notice him. So he did what he needed to and didn't, like so many do, kill the game with his whistle.

Pretty much everyone was saying that Singh was a decent referee before the game, so where all this "he is always poor" rubbish is coming from, I do not know.

 

[Irate Ian]

Kuipers retaliated and that IS a Red card..

As for the Moussa incident, both players went into the tackle exactly the same. The difference is that Moussa got straight up and thr Brighton player rolled around like he had been shot by a sniper, which made Singh's decision for him.


Loved it in the second half, when Revell was bearing down of Kuipers and he made another horrendous clearance, Revell laughed right in his face...bloody hilarious, I really hope there is a picture of it on the OS.

Spot on and think I am correct that the Brighton player did not receive any treatment ?

 

[ARSE!!]

About time Mr singh stop refin and open a corner shop instead (one in brighton ).

 

[Hotman]

I'm suprised Singh wasn't wearing a pink turban last night.

watch it, you might get threatened with a ban from Matt the Shrimp for comments about pink turbans!!!!!

 

[OldBlueLady]

Spot on and think I am correct that the Brighton player did not receive any treatment ?

Exactly! Bloody cheats.

 

[Irate Ian]

I agree with your opening bit. Referees have to be opinionated, because they have to apply Law in their opinion. [there is a subtle difference between exercising discretion of his opinion than compared with being Opionated - look it up in dictionary] But let us put this into perspective - I have given my opinion from a position of knowledge - you may agree or disagree because that is what is forum is about [agree] and that is what debate is about [agree]. I note you too have given your opinion [yes]. Does that make you a referee [no but we are entitled to form a fair opionion of the performance of referees and it will be interesting to now how he has been assessed by his peers].

SZ has been full of bile towards a referee who did his job [well they are also entitled to their opinions as well] . He sent the player off correctly [disagree strongly] He didn't have a bad game [would score him 4/10] and if the red never happened, there wouldn't have been a comment or debate [yes there would he has a history with us].

Singh controlled the game correctly [4/10], he had nowhere to go with Moussa [rubbish imo] and the other cautions were correct [ok]. Other than that, you didn't notice him [yes we did, he likes to give the Jackanory to players - much too long winded] . So he did what he needed to and didn't, like so many do, kill the game with his whistle [that much I will agree with it when he did blow where his problems began - incompetence or inability to man manage I can't really make up my mind, but one or other].

Pretty much everyone was saying that Singh was a decent referee before the game, so where all this "he is always poor" rubbish is coming from [he has had one decent game I think the last before yesterday from memory so his performance was back to poor], I do not know.

Answers in brackets above.

Repeat he and other refs would do well to study Howard Webb.

 

[adam3811]

when he did blow where his problems began

story of my life..

 

[Lord Football]

Answers in brackets above.

Repeat he and other refs would do well to study Howard Webb.

Yes you are correct. He is probably the best we have. I think you find that a referee's meetings they do. In fact they all study each other. It is the only factual comment you make that is correct though.

You will also find that all referees on the FL (and Conference) are assessed at every game by assessors. Fortunately, unlike you, they know what they are talking about. (despite my many disagreements with some over the years).

You seem to be saying that he shouldn't have been blowing for fouls. That is pretty much all he blew for. He wasn't fussy, whistle happy and didn't try to stop the flow of the game. Are you are saying he shouldn't have blown for the cautions and other fouls and just players kick barrels out of each other.

Love the Jackanory comment. We get "refs don't talk to players" and you get one who does. Actually, all the players he spoke to got cautions - I don't recall a lecture that wasn't followed with a card. He does that as it takes the immediate sting out of a sitation. Calm the player down, talk to him, show him card and get on with it. That is how it should be done. Reds are different, you just get rid of the player as quick as you can.

What I want to know Ian, is, if you were reffing and a player went in two footed studs up and got player instead of the ball, what would you do?

 

[weststander]

As a former referee (it was a few years ago though) i always enjoy looking at comments about referees from the other posters on the board. On this occasion i feel that i need to agree with Lord Football. I feel that Mr Singh has a resonably good game, the only thing that i probably disagree with was the yellow cards for Revell and Kuipers, i would have sent them both off because Revells challenge looked reckless to me and Kuipers retaliated, both dismissable offences, however, i can see that so early in the game yellow cards could have been appropriate.

I had a reasonable view of the Moussa sending off from the halfway line in the West and i thought that he would have to walk.

What people dont seem to understand is that a referee is a very tough job, you can only give what you can see and then you have to apply your own interpretation to events, you are never going to please everybody.

What i do ask it that if that had happened in reverse and the man had not been dismissed would all the posts on here be saying how he should have sent off the Brighton man ???

I feel that Mr Singh is a good referee and i am always happy if he is refereeing our games and will continue to do so in the future.

 

[Irate Ian]

I agree with your opening bit. Referees have to be opinionated, because they have to apply Law in their opinion. But let us put this into perspective - I have given my opinion from a position of knowledge - you may agree or disagree because that is what is forum is about and that is what debate is about. I note you too have given your opinion. Does that make you a referee :)

SZ has been full of bile towards a referee who did his job. He sent the player off correctly. He didn't have a bad game and if the red never happened, there wouldn't have been a comment or debate.

Singh controlled the game correctly, he had nowhere to go with Moussa and the other cautions were correct. Other than that, you didn't notice him. So he did what he needed to and didn't, like so many do, kill the game with his whistle.

Pretty much everyone was saying that Singh was a decent referee before the game, so where all this "he is always poor" rubbish is coming from, I do not know.

Yes you are correct. He is probably the best we have. I think you find that a referee's meetings they do. In fact they all study each other. It is the only factual comment you make that is correct though.

You will also find that all referees on the FL (and Conference) are assessed at every game by assessors. Fortunately, unlike you, they know what they are talking about. (despite my many disagreements with some over the years).

You seem to be saying that he shouldn't have been blowing for fouls. That is pretty much all he blew for. He wasn't fussy, whistle happy and didn't try to stop the flow of the game. Are you are saying he shouldn't have blown for the cautions and other fouls and just players kick barrels out of each other.

Love the Jackanory comment. We get "refs don't talk to players" and you get one who does. Actually, all the players he spoke to got cautions - I don't recall a lecture that wasn't followed with a card [you defeat your own arguments - if a ref is to issue a card red or yellow all he need do is brandish it, he does not have to lecture or tell a story just get on with the game pdq - hence the Jackanory comment] . He does that as it takes the immediate sting out of a sitation [there was no sting in this situation that we are talking about] . Calm the player down, talk to him, show him card and get on with it . That is how it should be done. Reds are different, you just get rid of the player as quick as you can.

What I want to know Ian, is, if you were reffing and a player went in two footed studs up and got player instead of the ball, what would you do?

. [would exercise common sense, and interpet the challenge in relation both to the laws of the game and the context of the whole scenario of what evidence of his eyes he had seen from that player during the prior 70 mins, which is what Singh failed to do. In some quarters it has been suggested that he mis-identified Moussa for Grant, but I do not subscribe to that, more likely incompetence.

Do you really believe the players challenge was intentionally reckless ?]

 

[OldBlueLady]

Didn't look like a red card to us on Soccer AM this morning.

 

[DTS]

Didn't look like a red card to us on Soccer AM this morning.

What the ****.............

Just seen it too possibly the most nothing tackle ever.....I hate Singh....

 

[dloman]

What people dont seem to understand is that a referee is a very tough job, you can only give what you can see and then you have to apply your own interpretation to events, you are never going to please everybody.


I feel that Mr Singh is a good referee and i am always happy if he is refereeing our games and will continue to do so in the future.

Fair comments, but do you not think the whole match and pace of the game was influenced By Mr Singhs failure to send off Revell, which imo was an awful challenge.