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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-2 Torquay United

I've had the night to think over what we saw yesterday and I'm still as frustrated now as I was walking out of the ground.

I actually thought we started the game really well, Cosgrove winning the ball high up the pitch and within the first minute, we've got a free kick just outside the penalty area. We've then managed to sustain some pressure but then we're hit with a sucker punch. The goal itself is one we've seen ourselves concede a plenty of times before. A high, hopeful ball to the back post, a header back across goal and a tap in for whoever is waiting to receive the ball. A very poor goal for us to concede and one in which I think could have been prevented. From there on, Torquay had something to defend and what followed for the next 87 minutes give or take was nothing short of embarrassing from their point of view. Their keeper for example, he must have taken at least a minute to eventually get the ball back in play from a goal kick and this happened at least 5 or 6 times and not once did the referee have a word. The constant fouling in an attempt to slow us down was frustrating, even more so considering I think their left back was very fortunate to stay on the pitch with two similar tackles on first Powell (I think it was) and then Kensdale and as such he was taken off at the break, yet more weak refereeing.

The second half again started well, we kept the ball well and got in to the final third at will but our desire to score the perfect goal is somewhat frustrating. So many times the opportunity to was there to have a shot at goal but instead we either took an extra touch or we tried to force another pass that went astray, it was so annoying to watch. We're then hit with another sucker punch. I can't fault Colin for this one though, the defection left him flat footed but before that, the way we just invited the goal scorer to drive through the middle of the pitch and get within shooting distance was poor from our point of view. At this point, for anybody watching it's clear that we are the much better team but we find ourselves 0-2 down having only faced 2 shoots on our goal. For me, the changes Kev then made somewhat improved us. Jack Bridge especially, his directness and knowing when to make the pass got us in to some good positions but again, thanks to a combination of good saves from the keeper, defenders throwing themselves in front of the shot and our own inability to shot and pass at the right time, it just turned in to one of the days sadly. Even when we did finally get one back (great header by the way from Wreh), I was never confident of then going on to find the equaliser. All in all, a very frustrating afternoon. I thought we played okay and I suppose one of the positives to take from the game is that we've created enough chances to win two or three games but we just couldn't make them count. That and the fact we've come up against another one of those teams that have no intention of actually playing football but would rather just break a game up, waste time and hope they get one or two chances, it was unfortunately for us, one of those days.

Going forward, I think Jack Bridge and Chris Wreh have to start against Barnet. Both offered more than those they replaced and both looked a threat. I also think that Lopata comes in for Lomas. Louis didn't have the best of games and was constantly being moaned at by Kensdale throughout the game. Set pieces are still a concern, not so much when defending them but our own. The amount of times our own corners lead to a counter attack is something Kev and the team need to seriously look at.

One last line from me, I thought once again we witnessed a weak refereeing performance. He allowed Torquay to pretty much take the **** out of him from the get go. The constant time wasting from the keeper deserved a yellow card much, much earlier than he got. The blatant fouling was a joke and as I've already said, their left back can count himself lucky we wasn't shown a second yellow before the half time break. Unfortunately, we all know how incredibly poor the standard of officiating at this level is but I can only imagine as a player, when you've worked hard in training all week and you play in a game where the oppositions tactics are to waste time and constantly foul you, it must be even more frustrating for them that the referee isn't strong enough to be more forceful in his punishments than it is for us watching on from the stands.
 
Awful performance.

Stating the obvious, but we need something different up front. Respect to cosgrave he's a professional footballer and i am not, but I've seen him have one deflected shot in 2 and a bit games doesn't ever look like shooting.

Jack Bridge has to play.

I still don't think we have a plan b.

I'd love to see us try a different formation.

Oh and why is no-one else allowed to take corners?
Was it an awful performance? Maybe a bit over the top.
We were comfortably a level above the opposition just couldn’t score through variety of our own poor finishing and some good defending from the other side.
 
Pretty sure Collin has an issue with his groin which is why he isn’t launching it out. He massively overstretched to stop a OG against Oldham and stopped kicking it out long after that.
You could well be right there young @Ricey. That was a pretty long stretch he had to make from Fonguck's pass back.
 
Need to bounce back next week. Can't see us getting anything against Chesterfield ir Wrexham.

Well look at it this way. We have scored 6 goals. Wrexham have scored 19, Notts County and Solihull Moors have scored 18 each. Chesterfield have scored 14.

An independent observer would think that we don't belong in the same division as those four teams.

Add to that our defeat by a Torquay side which had only scored 2 goals this season before yesterday. Yes, they doubled their goal tally yesterday.... It seemed to me that we were over confident going into the game, with good reason admittedly, and even when Torquay scored after 3 minutes we still didn't pay them enough respect.

I think we will get it right, but we obviously need our goal scoring forwards back as soon as possible. We need our defence to be rock solid again or we will be spanked over the next four tough games. For what it's worth I think there is a strong chance that we will perform better against the stronger sides, we often do, but I also think that at least one of those four sides will thrash us......

Having said all that I do feel much more positive this season because we are creating so many chances and playing some good football and I'm frustrated that the results aren't coming..... but must keep the faith. UTB!!
 
I see a lot of criticism of Torquay and their tactics but they’ve been at this level long enough to know how to grind results. Same with Borehamwood. These teams are unlikely to beat us playing pure football so they’ve targeted our weaknesses (to good effect). We need to find a way to deal with it, it’s all a learning curve for this team.

It’s a real shame we couldn’t be more clinical when near goal and offer more threat at set pieces. We had them on the ropes for long periods of the second half, they were defending most of it.

I’m less concerned about stuff that can be coached into a team than players who don’t give a **** about the club so I’ll take this bunch over many of the players who’ve taken us here in the first place.
 
Well, there's not a huge amount that hasn't been said, but I thought we were pretty poor in the first half and I hope that the management team rightly put a rocket up their backsides at half time.

Fonguck, in that first half, was ambling about like it was a kick about in the park, there was no effort at all. Yes, he improved a lot in the 2nd half, and particularly in that final 20 minutes but the damage was effectively done. It was our midfield that was deficient - Miley couldn't do it all on his own. I hope Husin is not far off being back, though Paul, who sits in front of us, reckons Fonguck has alternate good and bad games....so maybe next week he'll be good and then we can play Noor against Wrexham!

We are also crying out for a Timlin, a Leonard, even a Wordsworth who can mess up opposition players tactics in the middle - ours are too nice! There was a skirmish with Miley and one of theirs, and another with Kensdale during our goal but that was all. It was why I was quite pleased to see Demi come on, but had expected him to go in place of Fonguck - can only presume that Scott-Morris was taken off as a precaution following Monday.

What is going on with our free kicks and corners? Why is Mooney the ONLY player taking them? They were so poor yesterday, and I suggest that he spends some time at Roots Hall practising. We had Clifford and then Bridge out there yesterday at different times, both of whom can deliver corners and free kicks - we need to vary that and not be all reliant on Mooney's, which all too often failed to beat the first man (not for the first time). There was one corner yesterday where Bridge was left back as the last man - and I thought that was wrong, you have to leave a defender or defensive midfielder as last man, Bridgey should always be up there, either taking a corner or ready at the back post.

I wondered if Kacper's arrival shook our defensive trio a bit - Lomas had a bit of a mare to begin with and looked out of sorts for much of the game, Kensdale also was a little rocky at times - this seemed to affect Collin a bit too. Liked the fact that both Hobson and Kensdale weren't afraid to bring the ball out of defence though. I think Kacper will be straight in next game - love Miley to bits, but there's no vocal leader out there.

I didn't think Cosgrave was as bad as some people. I thought he played some excellent passes at times but he is young, needs to be stronger under challenge and to have a shot!

I think you have to give Torquay huge credit for doing their homework and for defending so well. The reason only one of those 25 chances went in was because they kept having 9 and even 10 at times, players behind the ball, mostly in their box meaning passes and shots didn't stand a chance. We could have had a couple of penalties for handballs under the circumstances - and needed to make more of a fuss. We should have changed our game plan to try and get some quick passing forwards and run at them more, rather than allowing them the time to get behind the ball. That said, their big arsed no. 10 was a disgrace, and the keeper should have been carded much earlier for time wasting and then warned later he risked a 2nd.

Collin - 6, looked much less confident, carrying an injury?
Scott-Morris - 7.5, no criticism
Hobson - 7.5, best of the defensive three
Kensdale - 7, did ok
Lomas - 6, wobbly game for him
Clifford - 6, has consistently been the weak link this season
Miley - 7.5, can't do everything and nor should we expect him to
Fonguck - 5 for the 1st half, 7 for the 2nd
Mooney - 7.5, can't fault his effort, needs to practise dead balls actually at RH
Powell - 8, probably my MOTM, just. Never stopped, never gave up, scared the life out of them when he ran at them....shame about the wayward shooting
Cosgrave - 7, another who did ok

Subs:
Bridge for Clifford - 8, if he'd have been on longer, he'd have got my MOTM. Made things happen, crossed the ball and passed it well. Hope that's helped convince Maher that he is fit and ready as I understand there had been concern around his fitness
Wreh for Cosgrave - 7.5, an upgrade in strength and nous, Scored and could have had another
Demetriou for Scott-Morris - 7, if this is Demi's role this season then I don't have a problem. We needed some experience and I don't think it was a coincidence that our best period was when all three subs were on.

Officials were weak, the ref issued lots of yellow cards but some of what went on deserved more. I have no idea how Torquay finished with all 11 players on the pitch.
 
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I didn’t quite understand the signing of Cosgrave at the time and after seeing him twice I still don’t. If we were bringing in another forward it needed to be a target man type player, not another wide forward who we’re trying to play through the middle. We had 25 attempts on goal yesterday and the centre forward didn’t have one of them. He didn’t win a single header either. His best work is done in the channel, but we already have others for that.

But hey, that was a complete freak result yesterday. Torquay themselves won’t have a clue how they’ve left town with three points.
 
The good news is....chances created, the bad news is.... all in for shooting practice on Monday. The times they shot over or wide is unforgivable.
Can we get Stan Collymore down to the training ground to work with Powell and Mooney on finishing. We need to hit the target and the back of the net more! I've noticed Mooney has a lot of efforts which go over the bar. Is he leaning back too much when shooting?

Also, we got in behind Torquay and to the byline so many times, but then failed to play the right pass or cut back. In my opinion we should be looking to hit the area between the 6 yard line and the penalty spot.
 
Cosgrave.. not floating peoples boats. Once the main strikers are fit, what’s his role?
I’ve not seen him, but what I’m reading, he’s doing a similar job to what Dalby did, yet he was loved.
 
Can we get Stan Collymore down to the training ground to work with Powell and Mooney on finishing. We need to hit the target and the back of the net more! I've noticed Mooney has a lot of efforts which go over the bar. Is he leaning back too much when shooting?

Also, we got in behind Torquay and to the byline so many times, but then failed to play the right pass or cut back. In my opinion we should be looking to hit the area between the 6 yard line and the penalty spot.
What’s that expression “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”? Whatever the amount of time spent on the training ground would make little or no difference.
Some of the key attributes of a decent striker is their calmness, their ability to not try to smash the ball into orbit, and crucially to translate what they may be able to do with monotonous regularity on the training pitch, into a match day situation.
We just need to be patient until we see the return of our proper strikers from injury.
 
I've had the night to think over what we saw yesterday and I'm still as frustrated now as I was walking out of the ground.

I actually thought we started the game really well, Cosgrove winning the ball high up the pitch and within the first minute, we've got a free kick just outside the penalty area. We've then managed to sustain some pressure but then we're hit with a sucker punch. The goal itself is one we've seen ourselves concede a plenty of times before. A high, hopeful ball to the back post, a header back across goal and a tap in for whoever is waiting to receive the ball. A very poor goal for us to concede and one in which I think could have been prevented. From there on, Torquay had something to defend and what followed for the next 87 minutes give or take was nothing short of embarrassing from their point of view. Their keeper for example, he must have taken at least a minute to eventually get the ball back in play from a goal kick and this happened at least 5 or 6 times and not once did the referee have a word. The constant fouling in an attempt to slow us down was frustrating, even more so considering I think their left back was very fortunate to stay on the pitch with two similar tackles on first Powell (I think it was) and then Kensdale and as such he was taken off at the break, yet more weak refereeing.

The second half again started well, we kept the ball well and got in to the final third at will but our desire to score the perfect goal is somewhat frustrating. So many times the opportunity to was there to have a shot at goal but instead we either took an extra touch or we tried to force another pass that went astray, it was so annoying to watch. We're then hit with another sucker punch. I can't fault Colin for this one though, the defection left him flat footed but before that, the way we just invited the goal scorer to drive through the middle of the pitch and get within shooting distance was poor from our point of view. At this point, for anybody watching it's clear that we are the much better team but we find ourselves 0-2 down having only faced 2 shoots on our goal. For me, the changes Kev then made somewhat improved us. Jack Bridge especially, his directness and knowing when to make the pass got us in to some good positions but again, thanks to a combination of good saves from the keeper, defenders throwing themselves in front of the shot and our own inability to shot and pass at the right time, it just turned in to one of the days sadly. Even when we did finally get one back (great header by the way from Wreh), I was never confident of then going on to find the equaliser. All in all, a very frustrating afternoon. I thought we played okay and I suppose one of the positives to take from the game is that we've created enough chances to win two or three games but we just couldn't make them count. That and the fact we've come up against another one of those teams that have no intention of actually playing football but would rather just break a game up, waste time and hope they get one or two chances, it was unfortunately for us, one of those days.

Going forward, I think Jack Bridge and Chris Wreh have to start against Barnet. Both offered more than those they replaced and both looked a threat. I also think that Lopata comes in for Lomas. Louis didn't have the best of games and was constantly being moaned at by Kensdale throughout the game. Set pieces are still a concern, not so much when defending them but our own. The amount of times our own corners lead to a counter attack is something Kev and the team need to seriously look at.

One last line from me, I thought once again we witnessed a weak refereeing performance. He allowed Torquay to pretty much take the **** out of him from the get go. The constant time wasting from the keeper deserved a yellow card much, much earlier than he got. The blatant fouling was a joke and as I've already said, their left back can count himself lucky we wasn't shown a second yellow before the half time break. Unfortunately, we all know how incredibly poor the standard of officiating at this level is but I can only imagine as a player, when you've worked hard in training all week and you play in a game where the oppositions tactics are to waste time and constantly foul you, it must be even more frustrating for them that the referee isn't strong enough to be more forceful in his punishments than it is for us watching on from the stands.

I don't think it serves much purpose, other than catharsis, for us to go on complaining about our opponents tactics. Look at it from their point of view. They had only scored 2 goals in their first six matches and only gained 4 points having lost four on the bounce. They were desperate. They knew they were playing a Southend team that had only scored 5 goals so they needn't fear our attack. They adopted tactics that worked really well for them and they defended like lionhearts. Shrimpers sunk. Job done.
 
So Lopata starting will cure our inability to finish chances. I’m struggling with the logic.
Don't think anybody is actually saying that, are they? But if we can't finish our ****ing dinner then we need stop gifting the opposition the opportunities to finish theirs. Łopata should help that. I'd he can then 2-0 losses like yesterday could become 0-0, and we all know that one point is better than none.
 
Well, there's not a huge amount that hasn't been said, but I thought we were pretty poor in the first half and I hope that the management team rightly put a rocket up their backsides at half time.

Fonguck, in that first half, was ambling about like it was a kick about in the park, there was no effort at all. Yes, he improved a lot in the 2nd half, and particularly in that final 20 minutes but the damage was effectively done. It was our midfield that was deficient - Miley couldn't do it all on his own. I hope Husin is not far off being back, though Paul, who sits in front of us, reckons Fonguck has alternate good and bad games....so maybe next week he'll be good and then we can play Noor against Wrexham!

We are also crying out for a Timlin, a Leonard, even a Wordsworth who can mess up opposition players tactics in the middle - ours are too nice! There was a skirmish with Miley and one of theirs, and another with Kensdale during our goal but that was all. It was why I was quite pleased to see Demi come on, but had expected him to go in place of Fonguck - can only presume that Scott-Morris was taken off as a precaution following Monday.

What is going on with our free kicks and corners? Why is Mooney the ONLY player taking them? They were so poor yesterday, and I suggest that he spends some time at Roots Hall practising. We had Clifford and then Bridge out there yesterday at different times, both of whom can deliver corners and free kicks - we need to vary that and not be all reliant on Mooney's, which all too often failed to beat the first man (not for the first time). There was one corner yesterday where Bridge was left back as the last man - and I thought that was wrong, you have to leave a defender or defensive midfielder as last man, Bridgey should always be up there, either taking a corner or ready at the back post.

I wondered if Kacper's arrival shook our defensive trio a bit - Lomas had a bit of a mare to begin with and looked out of sorts for much of the game, Kensdale also was a little rocky at times - this seemed to affect Collin a bit too. Liked the fact that both Hobson and Kensdale weren't afraid to bring the ball out of defence though. I think Kacper will be straight in next game - love Miley to bits, but there's no vocal leader out there.

I didn't think Cosgrave was as bad as some people. I thought he played some excellent passes at times but he is young, needs to be stronger under challenge and to have a shot!

I think you have to give Torquay huge credit for doing their homework and for defending so well. The reason only one of those 25 chances went in was because they kept having 9 and even 10 at times, players behind the ball, mostly in their box meaning passes and shots didn't stand a chance. We could have had a couple of penalties for handballs under the circumstances - and need to make more of a fuss. We should have changed our game plan to try and get some quick passing forwards and run at them more, rather than allowing them the time to get behind the ball. That said, their big arsed no. 10 was a disgrace, and the keeper should have been carded much earlier for time wasting and then warned later he risked a 2nd.

Collin - 6, looked much less confident, carrying an injury?
Scott-Morris - 7.5, no criticism
Hobson - 7.5, best of the defensive three
Kensdale - 7, did ok
Lomas - 6, wobbly game for him
Clifford - 6, has consistently been the weak link this season
Miley - 7.5, can't do everything and nor should we expect him to
Fonguck - 5 for the 1st half, 7 for the 2nd
Mooney - 7.5, can't fault his effort, needs to practise dead balls actually at RH
Powell - 8, probably my MOTM, just. Never stopped, never gave up, scared the life out of them when he ran at them....shame about the wayward shooting
Cosgrave - 7, another who did ok

Subs:
Bridge for Clifford - 8, if he'd have been on longer, he'd have got my MOTM. Made things happen, crossed the ball and passed it well. Hope that's helped convince Maher that he is fit and ready as I understand there had been concern around his fitness
Wreh for Cosgrave - 7.5, an upgrade in strength and nous, Scored and could have had another
Demetriou for Scott-Morris - 7, if this is Demi's role this season then I don't have a problem. We needed some experience and I don't think it was a coincidence that our best period was when all three subs were on.

Officials were weak, the ref issued lots of yellow cards but some of what went on deserved more. I have no idea how Torquay finished with all 11 players on the pitch.
This is pretty much how I saw it!
Great write up.
 
Cosgrave.. not floating peoples boats. Once the main strikers are fit, what’s his role?
I’ve not seen him, but what I’m reading, he’s doing a similar job to what Dalby did, yet he was loved.

He's not as tall as Dalby, nor as strong. I think he could become a good striker, but all strikers need service and there wasn't a good deal of communication going on up front.
 
My two cents:

We surely knew how Torquay were going to come and set up? Low block, 2 banks of 4 and sometimes even a striker dropping back too. We really didn’t need 5 at the back (clearly didn’t help considering we let in 2) and desperately needed more numbers further up the pitch to overload their defence.

I find we tap the ball around too much sometimes and it allows the opposition to reorganise and shift side to side with the play. Teams cannot deal with us when we play with intensity on the front foot but so often we nullify ourselves with ponderous football.

We cannot rely on the referee to coddle and defend us during games. Yes they’re dreadful more often than not. Yes they miss blatant GBH. But we need to determine our own results. If we have to dish out some of our own, so be it.

Cosgrave is not good enough IMO and I’ve heard Wimbledon have requested a set amount of game time as part of the loan deal. Whether that’s true or not can be verified by those actually ITK. Wreh MUST start against Barnet.

Until we get our big CFs back teams can play like Torquay, get in our face and make us lump it long to nobody.
We must have been
I don't understand the critisim of the way we played today or the individual performances of certain players. We were head and shoulders above them on the pitch and created 25 chances.

If you are not happy with that in 90 minutes that seems a bit odd, the only thing we lacked was the composure to put the chances away which is shoc

I read the first page and I can't bring myself to read the rest, bearing in mind I am the ultimate pessimist.

In previous years this start would ring alarm bells with me. Plenty saying the same old story etc. It really isn't. This is an exciting side to watch, we have not clicked into gear in the final 3rd yet and when we do, it will be fantastic.

Dan Mooney is phenomenal. Watch his first touch, I haven't seen a player that can do that at Southend for years. A bit of composure is needed and he will be absolute dynamite.

The issue is up top. Powell makes things happen but I would imagine Rhys Murphy was crying watching today. So many opportunities and no striker's run.

Bridge did brilliant when he came on but he was aiming at hopeful spaces. A real striker would have got 2 or 3 today.

Hard to take but equally hard to have too much of a go at them today. The defence will pay the price for the first goal, expect Łopata to start at Barnet.
What does Powell make happen? He loses the ball, his shooting is not up to the standard of a professional footballer and on at least two occasions yesterday all he had to do was roll the ball across to where we had players in a great position to score. He is not a team player and it wont be long before he alienates team mates with his selfish attitude.
 
We must have been



What does Powell make happen? He loses the ball, his shooting is not up to the standard of a professional footballer and on at least two occasions yesterday all he had to do was roll the ball across to where we had players in a great position to score. He is not a team player and it wont be long before he alienates team mates with his selfish attitude.
A very poor man's JCR
 
In reality, we are not ready to roll over all comers Yet. We are all desperate for immediate success,but it is still too early. I do believe Kev and Co are getting there. we have just got to get through as best we can without our proven goal scorers for now. Very disappointed on yet another weekend.
Let’s hope it’s not too late, when we do. Get going.
 

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