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Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 1-2 Torquay United

We're much better than this time last year under PB when we were abject through the back and midfield but then we did have Murphy and Dalby up front which we'd be delighted with right now. PB's response to our abject performances was to drop Murphy and Dalby which was very weird. Frustratingly we're chucking points away at the moment and its likely to remain so until the treatment room empties out a bit and those players get up to full match fitness. Plenty of time for a late run into the play offs though Murphy and Caldwells long term response to their injuries is a worry. Its difficult to imagine any huge turnround in performance and finishing from Powell, Wreh and Cosgrove.
 
Only just been able to bring myself to look at anything Southend related after yesterday. Soon as that early goal went in I think we all knew exactly what was coming. All that pressure but nothing to show for it .

Colin 6. Not sure if Arnold would have done better with the first but didn't really have much to do other than pick the ball out the net

Hobson 7- again not really much to do

Kensdale 7- probably pick of the back line

Lomas 6- seemed to struggle a bit yesterday. But again not all that much to do

Clifford 5- just didn't offer enough going forward

Gus 6- didn't see all too much again going forward

Miley 7- usual solid performance from him. Does the simple stuff well

Wes 6- didn't offer much going forward again and definitely looking forward to Noor being back.

Mooney - 7 they definitely knew he was a danger. That's why the tried to absolutely hack him down first half. Not as good as last week but still showed his quality

Powell 6 - didnt scare defenders like he did last week. Poor performance after a few good weeks for him

Cosgrave 0. Absolutely useless don't even remember him touching the ball. Will drive him back to Wimbledon myself.

Bridge - 8 was absolutely excellent when he came on. I've been calling for him to start for weeks and that's absolutely why!

Wreh 7 - just needs to start every game over cosgrave. Strong, put himself about and in the right place.

Demi - 6- didn't see anything seemed a bit of an odd sub to me when we where chasing the game.

Tough run of games now and I'm very nervous for how we come out the over side
 
Well, this is the usual set of responses after a defeat.
Of course, the finishing was abject and we could dissect that until the cows come home. The only positive I can see is that Mooney is capable of a lot better. Powell, less so!
But what I don’t understand is the carping about playing out from the back and Collin’s distribution. With our squad this is the only way to go. Launch it long and it will come straight back.
Every one of our players is comfortable on the ball. When could we last say that? We are seeing the best football at the Hall for years. There is just no comparison with a year ago.
Just to be devil’s advocate, I am not at all sure that Lopata for all his qualities is very comfortable in possession. It will be interesting to see if our tactics change once he is in the team.

Unlike our current three, Lopata is a defend first centre half but he’s comfortable in possession. Being able to do both is what marks him out as a cut above. Usually at this level you don’t have players who can do it all. Our best football last season was with him in there. He’s less of an attack instigator than Hobson’s passing or Kensdale’s Barrett runs but we can play out from the back with him.

Helpfully Shrimper stats has some video clips which help illustrate it




For my money it’s a contest between Clifford and the crowd as to who is most uncomfortable with us playing out from the back. With both I think it is just a matter of confidence, although like with wing-backs it’s taking a few a long time to come to acceptance with the idea.

Well, there's not a huge amount that hasn't been said, but I thought we were pretty poor in the first half and I hope that the management team rightly put a rocket up their backsides at half time.

Fonguck, in that first half, was ambling about like it was a kick about in the park, there was no effort at all. Yes, he improved a lot in the 2nd half, and particularly in that final 20 minutes but the damage was effectively done. It was our midfield that was deficient - Miley couldn't do it all on his own. I hope Husin is not far off being back, though Paul, who sits in front of us, reckons Fonguck has alternate good and bad games....so maybe next week he'll be good and then we can play Noor against Wrexham!

We are also crying out for a Timlin, a Leonard, even a Wordsworth who can mess up opposition players tactics in the middle - ours are too nice! There was a skirmish with Miley and one of theirs, and another with Kensdale during our goal but that was all. It was why I was quite pleased to see Demi come on, but had expected him to go in place of Fonguck - can only presume that Scott-Morris was taken off as a precaution following Monday.

What is going on with our free kicks and corners? Why is Mooney the ONLY player taking them? They were so poor yesterday, and I suggest that he spends some time at Roots Hall practising. We had Clifford and then Bridge out there yesterday at different times, both of whom can deliver corners and free kicks - we need to vary that and not be all reliant on Mooney's, which all too often failed to beat the first man (not for the first time). There was one corner yesterday where Bridge was left back as the last man - and I thought that was wrong, you have to leave a defender or defensive midfielder as last man, Bridgey should always be up there, either taking a corner or ready at the back post.

I wondered if Kacper's arrival shook our defensive trio a bit - Lomas had a bit of a mare to begin with and looked out of sorts for much of the game, Kensdale also was a little rocky at times - this seemed to affect Collin a bit too. Liked the fact that both Hobson and Kensdale weren't afraid to bring the ball out of defence though. I think Kacper will be straight in next game - love Miley to bits, but there's no vocal leader out there.

I didn't think Cosgrave was as bad as some people. I thought he played some excellent passes at times but he is young, needs to be stronger under challenge and to have a shot!

I think you have to give Torquay huge credit for doing their homework and for defending so well. The reason only one of those 25 chances went in was because they kept having 9 and even 10 at times, players behind the ball, mostly in their box meaning passes and shots didn't stand a chance. We could have had a couple of penalties for handballs under the circumstances - and needed to make more of a fuss. We should have changed our game plan to try and get some quick passing forwards and run at them more, rather than allowing them the time to get behind the ball. That said, their big arsed no. 10 was a disgrace, and the keeper should have been carded much earlier for time wasting and then warned later he risked a 2nd.

Collin - 6, looked much less confident, carrying an injury?
Scott-Morris - 7.5, no criticism
Hobson - 7.5, best of the defensive three
Kensdale - 7, did ok
Lomas - 6, wobbly game for him
Clifford - 6, has consistently been the weak link this season
Miley - 7.5, can't do everything and nor should we expect him to
Fonguck - 5 for the 1st half, 7 for the 2nd
Mooney - 7.5, can't fault his effort, needs to practise dead balls actually at RH
Powell - 8, probably my MOTM, just. Never stopped, never gave up, scared the life out of them when he ran at them....shame about the wayward shooting
Cosgrave - 7, another who did ok

Subs:
Bridge for Clifford - 8, if he'd have been on longer, he'd have got my MOTM. Made things happen, crossed the ball and passed it well. Hope that's helped convince Maher that he is fit and ready as I understand there had been concern around his fitness
Wreh for Cosgrave - 7.5, an upgrade in strength and nous, Scored and could have had another
Demetriou for Scott-Morris - 7, if this is Demi's role this season then I don't have a problem. We needed some experience and I don't think it was a coincidence that our best period was when all three subs were on.

Officials were weak, the ref issued lots of yellow cards but some of what went on deserved more. I have no idea how Torquay finished with all 11 players on the pitch.

You might have missed it - and they certainly won’t feature in the highlights - but incredibly your MoM was also on set pieces when we wanted a right foot.

A very poor man's JCR
That’s a very glass half empty viewpoint. I prefer to think of him as an a marginally richer man’s Egbri.
 
You might have missed it - and they certainly won’t feature in the highlights - but incredibly your MoM was also on set pieces when we wanted a right foot.
I did see Callum take two free kicks I think, but it was more corners which were and have bugged me for a few games, and yes, I know we did score from one on Monday!
 
I felt that we would be at least in play off positions by now. This constant' it is early days' winds me up a bit along with '3 main strikers out injured'

When a team has supposedly 25 shots at goal and can only scores from one of them, in my view shows a severe weakness in our players ability. Does not have to be a striker score goals. Midfielders and defenders also score goals. Well not ours of course.

I have great faith in the management department of this club but surely the time for excuses must be over. We sit 13th in the league. 5 points of the play offs after 7 games. At a point in the season where 3 points can move you up quite a few places. The leading teams in this league seem to be scoring goals for fun. A couple of more losses and I feel the gap to the top will start to be difficult to claw back. Somebody in the squad needs to find there shooting boots quickly. As said, does not have to be a Striker. I am starting to get concerned but still think we may just steal a playoff spot. Cannot see the point of Cosgrave myself. Mooney does have good touches but in the games I have seen his dead balls are ****e. Fonguck seems so lightweight and we are far to nice. We need to learn and use the dark arts. If it is how teams play in this league why don't we. Not agreeing with it though.

I do hope that the majority of posters are right and we will score goals when our 'STRIKERS' are back but personally I am not convinced. Just for the record, goals scored 21/22 was 45 with 61 against. 20/21 was 29 for with 58 against. 19/20 was 39 for with 85 against from 35 games and 18/19 was 55 with 68 against. Been a heck of a while since we have been prolific
 
I do hope that the majority of posters are right and we will score goals when our 'STRIKERS' are back but personally I am not convinced. Just for the record, goals scored 21/22 was 45 with 61 against. 20/21 was 29 for with 58 against. 19/20 was 39 for with 85 against from 35 games and 18/19 was 55 with 68 against. Been a heck of a while since we have been prolific
I think the difference is the service will be there which was lacking before and defence is more solid (even more so now).
 
Only just been able to bring myself to look at anything Southend related after yesterday. Soon as that early goal went in I think we all knew exactly what was coming. All that pressure but nothing to show for it .

Colin 6. Not sure if Arnold would have done better with the first but didn't really have much to do other than pick the ball out the net

Hobson 7- again not really much to do

Kensdale 7- probably pick of the back line

Lomas 6- seemed to struggle a bit yesterday. But again not all that much to do

Clifford 5- just didn't offer enough going forward

Gus 6- didn't see all too much again going forward

Miley 7- usual solid performance from him. Does the simple stuff well

Wes 6- didn't offer much going forward again and definitely looking forward to Noor being back.

Mooney - 7 they definitely knew he was a danger. That's why the tried to absolutely hack him down first half. Not as good as last week but still showed his quality

Powell 6 - didnt scare defenders like he did last week. Poor performance after a few good weeks for him

Cosgrave 0. Absolutely useless don't even remember him touching the ball. Will drive him back to Wimbledon myself.

Bridge - 8 was absolutely excellent when he came on. I've been calling for him to start for weeks and that's absolutely why!

Wreh 7 - just needs to start every game over cosgrave. Strong, put himself about and in the right place.

Demi - 6- didn't see anything seemed a bit of an odd sub to me when we where chasing the game.

Tough run of games now and I'm very nervous for how we come out the over side
I don’t think Demi coming on was odd .
It was sad to see Gus have to go off as he was tiring ,particularly because he was a threat-our only threat !—with his head for corners and freekicks .
Demi is still an excellent wingback and should be playing on the left till Ralph’s fit.He could give way to Bridge after halftime depending on the game situation.
 
As expected following a home loss, and, our second defeat in three games, there is more than a fair share of doom and gloom among many posters.

It seems part of the angst felt by many is driven by a belief that we should be doing better. This is in sharp contrast to the mood of constant despair that gripped the Zone during the period of our successive relegations. That, at least, is an improvement.

The NL is a demanding and tough league which requires the playing of forty six matches. It is not a sprint, and, the team scoring goals in late August and early September might not be in the mix come next Easter. The nature of this League will ensure that unless a team is freakishly lucky, there are bound to be injuries. Our hope has to be that when everything settles down we are dealing with less than eight, and, that all of our long term injuries do not include our three first choice strikers.

Having read all of the post match posts I thought it interesting that both among both the pessimists and optimists alike that there is a belief we can realistically expect a fair bit of improvement from the playing staff as the season goes on.

Multiple individual improvements should translate into improved team performance. It will take time and cannot happen overnight. Progress will not come in a straight line, and, there will be more than a few zigs and zags along the way.

I remain convinced that the situation is much better than many think. As always, time, and results, will provide the answer for us.

UTB!
 
If you analyses the first seven games, although results maybe haven’t been what we had hoped we really aren’t far away. Both home defeats could or should have been wins. Both draws could have been wins. Last season under brown we didn’t know where the next shot on goal would come from let alone point.
keepers- both are fine
defence- is strong, stronger with KL signing and has performed well
Midfield- again is strong and competition for places (when all fit)
up top- when fit looks strong

the main issue is simply that up top we haven’t had our first choice forwards. With them fit and firing games like yesterday and Borehamwood in particular would have been wins. As frustrating as it is we need to be patient. The football we are playing is the best we’ve seen in years. We just need that end product. I’m glad we’ve signed young up and coming players rather than the dross Brown signed. If it takes a season or two more to get out this league then so beit but I genuinely believe we are going in the right direction and Kev and Co must be given time
 
Well, this is the usual set of responses after a defeat.
Of course, the finishing was abject and we could dissect that until the cows come home. The only positive I can see is that Mooney is capable of a lot better. Powell, less so!
But what I don’t understand is the carping about playing out from the back and Collin’s distribution. With our squad this is the only way to go. Launch it long and it will come straight back.
Every one of our players is comfortable on the ball. When could we last say that? We are seeing the best football at the Hall for years. There is just no comparison with a year ago.
Just to be devil’s advocate, I am not at all sure that Lopata for all his qualities is very comfortable in possession. It will be interesting to see if our tactics change once he is in the team.
There are a few usual responses but I think we are all entitled to feel disappointed after the excellent show last week. We are also entitled to an opinion and I respect yours, completely agree with you on the massive improvement & I still think the fab 3 are turning our once sinking ship round very slowly.

I don't agree with the passing it out from the back, half the time we pass, pass, pass to the halfway line then hoof it and often lose possession, if we are going to do that might as well hoof it in the first place & minimise the risk.

I watch Premier League teams come a cropper weekly on MOTD & they have far more ability than our back line.

All in all as I have been saying for almost a year now & still believe the future is bright and we are on our way back and when / if we get a fully fit squad we can compete with the best in this league & probably Div 2 as well 🤗
 
We must have been



What does Powell make happen? He loses the ball, his shooting is not up to the standard of a professional footballer and on at least two occasions yesterday all he had to do was roll the ball across to where we had players in a great position to score. He is not a team player and it wont be long before he alienates team mates with his selfish attitude.
Really glad someone else thinks this. For me Callum Powell was the main problem yesterday. Time and time again he was on the ball (he seems to get the ball an awful lot) and failed to do anything worthwhile with it. Cosgrave (who seems to be getting quite a bit of stick on here) was actually making some great runs but every time he was overlooked for a ridiculous shot or a failed dribble. He would be a strikers nightmare to play alongside right now as you get nothing off him. Bridge came on and immediately changed that and whilst I give Callum credit for finally delivering a ball a striker could attack for the goal he needs to cut these pointless snatched shots out and look to play others in.

For the record I love his energy and how he can take the game to a team but his decision making is poor pretty much every time.
 
Can we get Stan Collymore down to the training ground to work with Powell and Mooney on finishing. We need to hit the target and the back of the net more! I've noticed Mooney has a lot of efforts which go over the bar. Is he leaning back too much when shooting?

Also, we got in behind Torquay and to the byline so many times, but then failed to play the right pass or cut back. In my opinion we should be looking to hit the area between the 6 yard line and the penalty spot.
You want Stan who is a lot younger than he is now!
 
Can we get Stan Collymore down to the training ground to work with Powell and Mooney on finishing. We need to hit the target and the back of the net more! I've noticed Mooney has a lot of efforts which go over the bar. Is he leaning back too much when shooting?

Also, we got in behind Torquay and to the byline so many times, but then failed to play the right pass or cut back. In my opinion we should be looking to hit the area between the 6 yard line and the penalty spot.
The most frustrating thing for me was the shots that went blazing over the crossbar. That’s what they need to work on. Just need to get over the ball a bit more. If the shots that went over needed the keeper to save instead, there’s always a chance of a tap in for those following up.
 
Really glad someone else thinks this. For me Callum Powell was the main problem yesterday. Time and time again he was on the ball (he seems to get the ball an awful lot) and failed to do anything worthwhile with it. Cosgrave (who seems to be getting quite a bit of stick on here) was actually making some great runs but every time he was overlooked for a ridiculous shot or a failed dribble. He would be a strikers nightmare to play alongside right now as you get nothing off him. Bridge came on and immediately changed that and whilst I give Callum credit for finally delivering a ball a striker could attack for the goal he needs to cut these pointless snatched shots out and look to play others in.

For the record I love his energy and how he can take the game to a team but his decision making is poor pretty much every time.

Absolutely agree, his work rate is brilliant but needs to be more of a team player. It is frustrating to watch but must be even worse to play alongside.
 
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