Thatcher's Funeral

[Tangled up in Blue]

*in the same way that* I'd like to think that Barna would put that 12p back into the beer kitty at The Cricketers.

:winking:

I believe I have invested-ahem-quite a lot of my time and money in The Cricketers over the years.:winking:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'm sure you're aware that SUFC pays the Police wage bill for those on duty for home games.It's the same principle really.

Do you mean the principle as stated in Glasbrook Brothers Ltd v Glamorgan County Council [1925] AC 270 that it is an absolute and unconditional obligation binding on police authorities "to take all steps which appear to them to be necessary for keeping the peace, for preventing crime, or for protecting property from criminal injury; and the public, who pay for this protection through the rates and taxes, cannot lawfully be called upon to make further payment for that which is their right" (p277 per Viscount Cave LC)?

#barnabluegetsitwrongagain

 

[londonblue]

Do you mean the principle as stated in Glasbrook Brothers Ltd v Glamorgan County Council [1925] AC 270 that it is an absolute and unconditional obligation binding on police authorities "to take all steps which appear to them to be necessary for keeping the peace, for preventing crime, or for protecting property from criminal injury; and the public, who pay for this protection through the rates and taxes, cannot lawfully be called upon to make further payment for that which is their right" (p277 per Viscount Cave LC)?

#barnabluegetsitwrongagain

However, that quote also continues:

“But it has always been recognized that, where individuals desire that services of a special kind which, though not within the obligations of a police authority, can most effectively be rendered by them, should be performed by members of the police force, the police authorities may (to use an expression which is found in the Police Pensions Act, 1890) “lend” the services of constables for that purpose in consideration of payment. Instances are the lending of constables on the occasions of large gatherings in and outside private premises, as on the occasions of weddings, athletic or boxing contests or race meetings, and the provision of constables at large railway stations.”

And further:

“If a particular person desires protection of a special sort and the police can give this without interfering with the discharge of other duties elsewhere, it is difficult to see on what ground of public policy it should be illegal that a charge should be made in respect of special protection.”

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

“But it has always been recognized that, where individuals desire that services of a special kind which, though not within the obligations of a police authority, can most effectively be rendered by them, should be performed by members of the police force, the police authorities may (to use an expression which is found in the Police Pensions Act, 1890) “lend” the services of constables for that purpose in consideration of payment. Instances are the lending of constables on the occasions of large gatherings in and outside private premises, as on the occasions of weddings, athletic or boxing contests or race meetings, and the provision of constables at large railway stations.”

Have bolded the relevant bit.

Lord Dyson MR looked at this recently in Leeds Utd Fc v Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police [2013] EWCA Civ 115.

 

[Rob Noxious]

I believe I have invested-ahem-quite a lot of my time and money in The Cricketers over the years.:winking:

It was the scenario of you and SBH having a pre-match pint which infused my imagination.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It was the scenario of you and SBH having a pre-match pint which infused my imagination.

Sorry, but I refuse to drink beer out of plastic glasses at The Spread.

Guess I'll have to take a raincheck on that 12p.:cheers:

 

[Smudger]

It was the scenario of you and SBH having a pre-match pint which infused my imagination.

I'd sooner see him have a pint with Rusty. Followed by a straightener in the car park.

 

[londonblue]

Have bolded the relevant bit.

Lord Dyson MR looked at this recently in Leeds Utd Fc v Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police [2013] EWCA Civ 115.

Again, ignorning this bit

“But it has always been recognized that, where individuals desire that services of a special kind which, though not within the obligations of a police authority, can most effectively be rendered by them, should be performed by members of the police force, the police authorities may (to use an expression which is found in the Police Pensions Act, 1890) “lend” the services of constables for that purpose in consideration of payment. Instances are the lending of constables on the occasions of large gatherings in and outside private premises, as on the occasions of weddings, athletic or boxing contests or race meetings, and the provision of constables at large railway stations.”

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Again, ignorning this bit

Yes, you ignore that bit when it falls within the obligations of a police authority - ie the bit I bolded for you.

Whilst the thought that the protesters should be billed for the policing costs of Thatcher's funeral does actually appeal to my sense of humour unfortunately the law, as stated in Glasbrook, is quite clear on this point. Thatcher's legacy, as ever, defined by striking miners....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'd sooner see him have a pint with Rusty. Followed by a straightener in the car park.

That's the trouble with you extreme right-wingers.You're obsessed with violence.After all, "It's as American as cherry pie," as was `proved in Boson last week.

 

[Smudger]

That's the trouble with you extreme right-wingers.You're obsessed with violence.After all, "It's as American as cherry pie," as was `proved in Boson last week.

I'm not extreme right wing Barna, I'm not even right wing I'm afraid. I was joking about the straightener but I would hope that donning the gloves and applying Queensbury rules in the Spread car park would be a noble act and not gratuitous violence.

Not really sure what to make of your comment about Boston but I'd say it's another black mark against religion and not really connected with America/Americans at all.

 

[Hotman]

That's the trouble with you extreme right-wingers.You're obsessed with violence.After all, "It's as American as cherry pie," as was `proved in Boson last week.

I'd say Smudger is as far from extreme on any side of politics as possible!

#barnabluegetsitwrongagain

#bellend

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

That's the trouble with you extreme right-wingers.You're obsessed with violence.After all, "It's as American as cherry pie," as was `proved in Boson last week.

I was just going to let this piece of blazing idiocy go, but **** me, this really takes the biscuit, even by Barnaby's standards, which are lower than a python's balls. I really fail to see how an attack on America by foreign combatants (yes, they had citizenship, but they were born in Chechnya and were defined by their religion rather than the crest on the front of their passport), can be classified as 'American as cherry pie' (the expression should use 'apple pie' but we quibble over semantics). I'm sorry Barnaby, but a few winking smiley faces cannot detract from the cast iron certainty that this was another attack by hard line Islamists, who would gladly string you up by the gonads for your Godless leftie views. At least they have something right.

 

[South Bank Hank]

I suspect that the police etc. were being paid overtime.

I suspect you are right but you completely missed the point: that the police were still indeed being paid by the UK public despite Barna's random connection with SUFC's private payments for policing. That point supported the view that the money paid would find its way directly back into the UK economy, as the same people criticising the funeral costs were campaigning for only days ago when it suited their one track agenda.

It was the scenario of you and SBH having a pre-match pint which infused my imagination.

I love characters and I like trying to understand someone with a completely different mindset, but in this case, I would have made a rare exception and might have just left the 12 pence on the floor... but then my offer was to refund people who pay tax in the UK anyway.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was just going to let this piece of blazing idiocy go, but **** me, this really takes the biscuit, even by Barnaby's standards, which are lower than a python's balls. I really fail to see how an attack on America by foreign combatants (yes, they had citizenship, but they were born in Chechnya and were defined by their religion rather than the crest on the front of their passport), can be classified as 'American as cherry pie' (the expression should use 'apple pie' but we quibble over semantics). I'm sorry Barnaby, but a few winking smiley faces cannot detract from the cast iron certainty that this was another attack by hard line Islamists, who would gladly string you up by the gonads for your Godless leftie views. At least they have something right.

You never let anything go,Rusty.
On a factual point you'll find that one of the Boston brothers wasn't actually born in Chechnya but in nearby Dagestan.
Sorry about the misquotation.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

You never let anything go,Rusty.
On a factual point you'll find that one of the Boston brothers wasn't actually born in Chechnya but in nearby Dagastan.
Sorry about the misquotation.

Neither do I , but then you are the worst at not letting something go and having to have the last word

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Neither do I , but then you are the worst at not letting something go and having to have the last word

Coming from you that's quite a compliment.Thanks.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I love characters and I like trying to understand someone with a completely different mindset, but in this case, I would have made a rare exception and might have just left the 12 pence on the floor... but then my offer was to refund people who pay tax in the UK anyway.

Thought you'd welsh on that 12p, if called to account.

FYI,I've paid a fair bit of tax in the UK in my time.Fortunately,I'm not short of drinking companians, either.

Thanks for the "character" remark, though.

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Thought you'd welsh on that 12p, if called to account.

FYI,I've paid a fair bit of tax in the UK in my time.Fortunately,I'm not short of drinking companians, either.

Thanks for the "character" remark, though.

Surely a racist comment and worthy of a ban?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Surely a racist comment and worthy of a ban?

As I've said before your user name is entirely appropriate.:winking:
Others have noticed your tendency to jump on board a :witch Hunt: as soon as there's safety in numbers.
FYI,You'll find the expression to "welsh", as I've used it, in Chambers (and I'm sure other, online dictionaries).