Breaking News The Nov/Dec Embargo thread

[mattytheshrimper]

If the embargo isn't lifted as soon as possible then we're relegated. It's as simple as that

Sadly, I completely agree.

 

[Smiffy]

I was thinking the only crumb of comfort is there are at least 3 or 4 other teams that are as equally as **** as we are. But then I remembered they can actually bring in players. Bottom line is the longer the embargo remains, the closer we will slip to the NLS.

 

[bluesfansince1952]

From the last zoom call which included Ron I took it from his comments that he was not currently looking for investors.
He also advised that if it was to be sold in its current state that he would want a return on his investment saying that this would be at least 20 million. Think he then went on to say that he wouldn’t sell if offered 40 million but I might be wrong on that as the call was quite a while ago.
So for me any probably many others that are being placed into the backing Ron camp, also feel that until the Fossetts Farm gets completed there is no realistic chance of him going. It’s not that we don’t sit there pulling our hair out because I’m sure many of us do!
Would we welcome investment of course but currently I cannot see anyone meeting Ron’s expectations on value and so how is this achieved??
Protests have their place if organised and followed through in the correct manner but in my opinion should never impact on members of staff of SUFC that have nothing to do with everyone who is out to oust Ron.
Would protesting against Ron get him to sell up before Fossetts goes through? If I was in his position no way as I would lose everything he has set out to achieve. All my opinions of course

There has been a significant development since that Zoom call and that was Ron's court appearance. Could that have changed his attitude? He is going to have any number of distractions in the next three to four years and it might be possible that he finds he no longer has the time or interest for football.
An approach may be worthwhile but it is hardly worth considering unless it is backed by a well thought out and realistic plan of action.
Plan B anyone?

 

[Holy Joe]

To me a protest is verging on pointless as the end game is already pretty much mapped out. Planning permission gets granted, funding for development is given, stadium built, Ron sells club.

I believe we're very close on the first 2. Protesting is unlikely to speed up or positively alter the course of action.

If the protests aim was to get the transfer embargo lifted then maybe, but how, if Ron hasn't got the cash, a protest doesn't matter.

 

[Strykr]

It doesn’t matter if he’s got any off-shore accounts as he hasn’t got any money to put in them.

More of an off shore piggy bank then?

Put your shrapnel in at the end of the day.

 

[Strykr]

I was thinking the only crumb of comfort is there are at least 3 or 4 other teams that are as equally as **** as we are. But then I remembered they can actually bring in players. Bottom line is the longer the embargo remains, the closer we will slip to the NLS.

We all sort of thought that last year, as it transpired, those 3 or 4 teams were better than us.

 

[Rayleigh boy]

But not the rent for either Roots Hall nor the new ground (should it ever get built)

of course they could ...

SUFC has a robust and long established revenue stream ...

take away the need to support Martins debt and "fees" and given a sensible financial regime everything is possible ..

nothing to fear except fear itself !!

 

[Fairport]

As other posters have said, Blackpool, Charlton and Coventry had large organised protests. All three are in a much better place now. Not sure that they had a definate alternative plan other than to oust the current regime.

 

[Rob1920]

...or if it has land / property that is worth fortunes to develop on !

But it doesn't. Ron and his companies do. Ron one way or another owns everything to do with the club and will want the £17m (rumoured) that he's poured into it to sell up. And the development that has just been passed on all the land is his golden ticket, he's not giving that up to anyone. This is the reason why there's not much enthusiasm for protesting. Other than making our feelings known it will achieve nothing until Ron has had his payout and is ready to go on his terms. I don't think it does any harm to keep the pressure on him by protesting, I'm not against it, but it won't force him out.

 

[Shrimper Stu]

Ron was hoping the Fossets Farm planning would be agreed by the Secretary of State in December or early January, if I remember rightly.

I wonder if he is holding out for that decision to be made, as it will then release funding that could be used to pay a tax bill and strengthen the squad.

Just a thought.

 

[Tampa Blue]

Dinner at the Cliffs will be interesting tonight!!

 

[Strykr]

Ron was hoping the Fossets Farm planning would be agreed by the Secretary of State in December or early January, if I remember rightly.

I wonder if he is holding out for that decision to be made, as it will then release funding that could be used to pay a tax bill and strengthen the squad.

Just a thought.

Sounds like a ron sort of thing to do....

 

[onceknownasrab]

That's the spirit!

I know it's not the Storming of the Bastille, or the Reformation, or the Orange Revolution.

But inertia is not really an option if you want to see change.

I totally agree about inertia not being a bedfellow of change. I just don't believe protests, which will negatively impact the club's image further, will bear any fruit. Trust me, I don't want to sit on my hands but I'm old enough to know when not to expend my energies. If someone comes up with a credible solution, none that I can see, I will back it to the hilt.

 

[rootshall rambler]

That's the spirit!

I know it's not the Storming of the Bastille, or the Reformation, or the Orange Revolution.

But inertia is not really an option if you want to see change.

We are where we are and protests will do nothing to sway Ronnie Kray, er Biggs, doh, Martin. I stood with the miners at Orgreave in 1984 and got a kicking. Where are the mines now? I protested with print workers at Wapping in 1986. That did FA too. Protests are a futile vent of angst that generally have no point.

We will have to suck it up and see what transpires. This is a game that is being played out in front of us and we cannot take part. Ron, who I believe genuinely wants to make the club better, neither needs the club or the fans. He would like to please us and put new bounce in his bouffant but it will not come at the expense of his project.

Protesting can have an effect sometimes . i could be wrong, but didnt the ladies at Ford dagenham get most of what they wanted ... eventually . ?

 

[onceknownasrab]

Protesting can have an effect sometimes . i could be wrong, but didnt the ladies at Ford dagenham get most of what they wanted ... eventually . ?

It brought about the equality of pay act. Ask around and see how many women think they have equal pay today.

 

[Holy Joe]

Ron was hoping the Fossets Farm planning would be agreed by the Secretary of State in December or early January, if I remember rightly.

I wonder if he is holding out for that decision to be made, as it will then release funding that could be used to pay a tax bill and strengthen the squad.

Just a thought.

Should be today. Unless SoS calls in the application or asks for an extension to decide to call in (or not)

 

[londonblue]

Ron was hoping the Fossets Farm planning would be agreed by the Secretary of State in December or early January, if I remember rightly.

I wonder if he is holding out for that decision to be made, as it will then release funding that could be used to pay a tax bill and strengthen the squad.

Just a thought.

Even he wouldn't be that stupid.

 

[londonblue]

It brought about the equality of pay act. Ask around and see how many women think they have equal pay today.

You maybe right, but at least they have the law on their side now. Their protest did have a significant impact.

I personally wouldn't protest because I can't be arsed anymore, but if anyone else did then they have my sympathy. The only thing I would say is don't do it during a match which will only work against the team.

 

[onceknownasrab]

The only option I see as possibly feasible is an interim takeover of the club.
On the zone we have a lot of clued up characters from all walks of life. If the fans came together to create a consortium they could approach Ron and ask to take over all matters related to the footballing side of the club. That is not buying any ground or the stadium. It would be, as now, a rent free period from now and until the new stadium is built and a club purchaser found. Maybe the consortium themse!ves may have raised the necessary sum to take the club on permanently. Who knows?

Of course the consortium would need a fairly large sum to begin with. Possibly circ 1.5 - 2m so they can prove the running costs are available.

Ron would still have ownership and could take it back if the consortium fails. It would give him a bit more free time and would not impinge on his plans.

It would be good to see the club in the fans hands and of course the we already have the popular figures in positions of prominence to guide the club and supporters. It could be a fairly sizeable chunk of dosh chucked down the loo or it may work out in the long term. It's a risk but then most on here seem to think it's riskier leaving it to Ron.

You could make money back doing a documentary account of the takeover and running and of course we could make a better fist of the online shopping. I dare say a call for a collection would be responded to by many business people and probably a lot of fans from other clubs.

Let's see who has the coconuts between their legs to try it.

 

[JB Shrimper]

It would seem the power crazy usuals from the Facebook site have made the protest desicion. If you do so please do it safely and appropriately as I have explained it it pointless so please do not get us fines and point deductions. I dare say this request will be ignored though.