Theresa May - Dead woman walking?

[Benfleet A1]

I suggested to my boss to park a couple of trucks up on the embankment full of 3' clean (crushed concrete) and sell it at 50p a rock.

He has put me up in Cambridge to be on the safe side.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ggest-lead-over-tories-since-general-election

It's coming home.Time for all you Kippers out there to vote for UKIP again.Labour are 4 points ahead of the Tories.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Oh, a Guardian/BBC post - where on earth did that come from.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Oh, a Guardian/BBC post - where on earth did that come from.

From Opinium via The Observer,actually.https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-10th-april-2018/

Meanwhile, here's a link from the BBC.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44838028

If you saw her on Marr earlier,defending the Checkers white paper, you'd know she realises she's not going to be around much longer.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I hope you're right, I honestly do.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I hope you're right, I honestly do.

Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is the best Chief Whip the Tories have have had.

 

[mattitouk]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ggest-lead-over-tories-since-general-election

It's coming home.Time for all you Kippers out there to vote for UKIP again.Labour are 4 points ahead of the Tories.

Pointless article really considering the next general election isn't for another 4 years!!.... Especially, when they say a week is a long time in politics.

For the record, I've never voted for the tories in my life and have no intention of doing so.

Just trying to put your poll into context, in the longer term.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Pointless article really considering the next general election isn't for another 4 years!!.... Especially, when they say a week is a long time in politics.

For the record, I've never voted for the tories in my life and have no intention of doing so.

Just trying to put your poll into context, in the longer term.

Frankly,I'd be astonished if Mrs May's government manages to remain in office for another 4 years. This particular week in politics could also be a difficult one for her government to survive.

What the Opinium poll (not mine btw) clearly shows is that the electoral tide has started to turn against her over her handling of Brexit.Long may it continue.

 

[MK Shrimper]

May going to concede to the hardliners and water down (toughen up?) her Brexit plans. The woman has absolutely no backbone.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's pretty amazing that after two years they finally issue their white paper - then start changing it instantly to try to curtail the various rebellions, but the absolute audacity is at the end of yesterday's session the government proposed closing Parliament 5 days early for the Summer as a route to May keeping her job.
Brexit, Trump-Putin, the Porta Down poisonings, revelations about data sharing potentially effecting democracy.....lets make our leaders long holiday a bit longer.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Thought Andrew Marr nailed Mrs May on the "hostile enviroment" Windrush issue earlier.Can't say she looks too comfortable defending the Checkers plan either.Should be an interesting week in Brum for the Tories.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Thought Andrew Marr nailed Mrs May on the "hostile enviroment" Windrush issue earlier.Can't say she looks too comfortable defending the Checkers plan either.Should be an interesting week in Brum for the Tories.

What has ‘hostile environment’ got to do with Windrush? They are not remotely related, apart from both being related to immigration!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What has ‘hostile environment’ got to do with Windrush? They are not remotely related, apart from both being related to immigration!

On the contrary,as AM showed with his video clip of a woman who'd been working in the UK since the 60's and recently died after being refused benefits that she was fully entitled to,the "hostile enviroment" adversly affected many people from the "Windrush generation." And yes I know that the Windrush landed at Tilbury docks long before the 60's.Thanks.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ggest-lead-over-tories-since-general-election

It's coming home.Time for all you Kippers out there to vote for UKIP again.Labour are 4 points ahead of the Tories.

I think you may regret posting the above. Can you please explain how, a totally incompetent government with a pathetic leader who are fighting like ferrets in a sack can be SIX points AHEAD of the opposition in one of the latest opinion polls???

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/09/28/voting-intention-conservatives-42-labour-36-24-25-/


Isn't that a condemnation of Corbyn, the Labour Party and how it is now run. Surely, with the government in total disarry, they should have a massive lead. Perhaps it's just indicative of the poor quality of government and opposition the voting public are being offered at the moment...............God knows what the turnout would be if there were an election tomorrow!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think you may regret posting the above. Can you please explain how, a totally incompetent government with a pathetic leader who are fighting like ferrets in a sack can be SIX points AHEAD of the opposition in one of the latest opinion polls???

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/09/28/voting-intention-conservatives-42-labour-36-24-25-/


Isn't that a condemnation of Corbyn, the Labour Party and how it is now run. Surely, with the government in total disarry, they should have a massive lead. Perhaps it's just indicative of the poor quality of government and opposition the voting public are being offered at the moment...............God knows what the turnout would be if there were an election tomorrow!

Not really.You'll no doubt remember how Labour under JC turned around what was supposed to be a 20 point lead for the Tories in the 6 weeks to polling day last year. Arguably if the election campaign had gone on for another week (remember it was suspended for a few days because of the Manchester bombing), Labour might have won. In any case, I'd be suprised if the Tories polling still puts them 6 percentage points ahead after their conference this week.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Not really.You'll no doubt remember how Labour under JC turned around what was supposed to be a 20 point lead for the Tories in the 6 weeks to polling day last year. Arguably if the election campaign had gone on for another week (remember it was suspended for a few days because of the Manchester bombing), Labour might have won. In any case, I'd be suprised if the Tories polling still puts them 6 percentage points ahead after their conference this week.

In the end, both of us are disenfranchised so we, for the moment, can have no more than a spectator's view on the British political scene. Notwithstanding, it doesn't prevent both of us from having passionate views concerning the direction of the 'old country!'
You know how much I detest this present government and with the Liberal Democrats resurrection hardly apparent, where does ones vote go????.............extreme right or extreme left is not the choice I would wish to make............if I had the chance. Like it or not, the UK has always tended towards conservatism..........with a small 'c' I'd never see it as a place for some kind of socialist revolution. I can understand why the Labour Party has moved in the way it has; in reaction to the conservative liberal economics of Blair and as a reaction to the unfairness and inequalities we find in today's society.
Perhaps it's just me but there is something deeply worrying at the heart of today's Labour Party. It's not just the anti-semetic problems. (please don't tell me this is just the media hype....... although I would accept they are more than willing to accentuate the situation). The problem exists...........a jewish Labour MP with a police escort to the conference? All party's usually accept a number of independent oddballs, accepting the policy of being broad churches. This no longer seems to be the case in the new Labour Party. The new millitant base, enboldened by the facilitation offered at the conference, appear keen to eradicate those not prepared to follow the strict party line. After Frank Field it's now Chris Leslie and I assume that's just a start. I have no problem with constituents wanting to change a bad, corrupt or lazy MP but for me changing your MP just because he doesn't follow the hard party line, is a worrying development. Who are these people (activists) making these decisions? A few fresh faces drawn in by the new approach of Corbyn, that's for sure. Yet, I would wager that most are hard line extremists that have moved into the party from (I don't know the new names) but old socialist worker and millitant groups..............do these factions now exist still, outside the Labour Party?
Although, clearly, there needs to be a change in direction in direction to reconnect the electorate with its politicians, I do feel there has to be a degree of pragmatism in that movement. I fear a doctrinaire autocratic (collective!) approach to our problems will ultimately do more harm than good.
I think the liklihood of a majority Labour government (in its present form) is remote in the present UK political set up. I can't imagine the tory election strategy being as incompetent as last time and nor will Corbyn get such an easy ride, rest capable of facing both ways and appealing to everyone, especially the important middle ground..........when his policies come under the magnifying glass. I just find the british political scene so depressing at the moment.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Since you mentioned polling earlier, I was interested to hear on Marr yesterday, that the 3 main issues concerning the British public ,are 1.the cost of living 2.The NHS 3.Brexit

The Tories seem unable to do anything at all about points number 1 and 2, since they're so obsessed by the Brexit debate,internally.FWIW, i think that's what will do for them in the end, even if Labour (and the general public) have to wait until 2022 for a GE. There was a telling comment from John Mac last week, to the effect that the Tories are more concerned with fighting each other than fighting Labour,atm.He's right.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Since you mentioned polling earlier, I was interested to hear on Marr yesterday, that the 3 main issues concerning the British public ,are 1.the cost of living 2.The NHS 3.Brexit

The Tories seem unable to do anything at all about points number 1 and 2, since they're so obsessed by the Brexit debate,internally.FWIW, i think that's what will do for them in the end, even if Labour (and the general public) have to wait until 2022 for a GE. There was a telling comment from John Mac last week, to the effect that the Tories are more concerned with fighting each other than fighting Labour,atm.He's right.

Christ, and Labour are one harmonius party aren't they? British Politics has never been more ****ed.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Christ, and Labour are one harmonius party aren't they? British Politics has never been more ****ed.

FWIW,the problem Labour have, IMO. Is that a large number of the PLP have never accepted JC as leader nor the change in membership of the PLP,which at over 500,000 strong has the biggest mass membership of any Socialist party in Europe.

The Tories,on the other hand,are divided in Parliament and outside on their approach to Brexit.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

On the contrary,as AM showed with his video clip of a woman who'd been working in the UK since the 60's and recently died after being refused benefits that she was fully entitled to,the "hostile enviroment" adversly affected many people from the "Windrush generation." And yes I know that the Windrush landed at Tilbury docks long before the 60's.Thanks.

To be ‘fully entitled’ you have to have the right paperwork. The Windrush issue is that since the postwar Labour government began the Windrush invitations neither they, or any subsequent government, either sufficiently helped those people to get the right documentation or maintained contact to ensure that they did. As a result, many never formalised their nationality or obtained a passport, or any other official documentation in many cases. They were legally invited but had no evidence to prove that in future years. That is quite different from illegal immigrants, who were not invited and have no right to be here and for whom the hostile environment (a poor choice of words for basically making it hard for illegal immigrants to game the system and have things they are not entitled to) was intended. On paper, as a result, there was no evidence upon which benefits to which Windrush people should have been entitled could be given to them. That is a collective failure of government over many generations which the hostile environment helped to expose.