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[chapperzUK]

I apologise - I was reading from my blackberry - cr*p for Internet.

My problem with the football / bankruptcy thing is that also all he money is beng taken out of he game as well. When you read the paper you read of stupid offers and wages for very average players. It's scary that one of te largest imdustries in England at the moment is actually allowed to operate in a way that only see it self implode. Personally I've never blamed the players, if I was offered 200k a week , as a right back, of course I'd accept it !

But this mismanagement in the premier league is making the life line of clubs like our shorter. As I said, iAgree that that it's all cause for concern at the moment, but its not news. Furthermore whilst we are near the edge of the financial cliff, whether we are he closest to the edge or not, we are no way the only club up there !

No problem. Football is a multi-billion pound industry and it is true that those that make the money aren't those that run the clubs and it goes to those who don't really want to make it better (agents etc.).

Hopefully the financial fair play laws will force clubs to stop giving stupid wages to players. Like you said, I don't blame them if they were offered that but those who try to get a better deal when they are already on a fair amount isn't right IMO. Agents have a massive influence on this as they will get their slice. If it doesn't work out, so what, their player will be transfer listed and be moved on meaning more money for the agent. If they do well, great, another contract and another bonus for them.

While most clubs might be close to the edge of the cliff, they have a parachute to cushion the blow via a wealthy backer but we don't (well sort of via Sainsburys) and that is the only reason why we can not survive at the moment.

 

[TrueBlue]

I always knew he'd run over your cat, dinged your car or spilled your pint but this probably explains a lot. Is it fair to say that all this "Tilson slags off the fans", "Tilson's a nasty bit of work" stuff you've told us simply comes from the fact he didn't like you?

Genuine question Scott as, the odd disgruntled didn't-quite-cut-it ex-player aside, I've never met anyone else with a bad word to say about him as a character.


As for people questioning reporting of late wages, we might not want to hear it sometimes but it IS news and the Press have a job to do. It's hardly their job to suppress information. Similarly, it would be bizarre for US not to discuss a topic like this on a Southend United forum. It might be nothing new, but it IS definitely relevant.

Maybe it's just me, yes of course people will get along with the guy and I have never disputed the achievements.

We have just never seen eye to eye, sad fact really

 

[fbm]

Does anyone believe that the wages aren't being paid deliberately? I'm sure that the preference would be to pay all debts and not be under an embargo, wouldn't it?

 

[mrsblue]

Football club owners plead poverty yet I suspect they feather their nests rather well,Money laundering and cooking the books is a license to print money,Add bar and food sales when in the hands of private firms equals another nice money spinner for dodgy owners.

Of course I am not suggesting the above occurs at SUFC.

 

[rararblue]

I wonder if Ron is getting the first £500,000 together for the initial council payment, once we get the green light for FF on the 10th July. Not at all surprised he is short on money.

 

[Jam_Man]

Tell me why, two players that have been part of the recent issues have signed for another two years ?My question is, is it as bad as people want it to be ? Again I have no insider at the club and regardless what was mentioned earlier I don't just agree to stereotypes - but I do wonder , if my boss continually paid me late etc etc and I had another job offer with more money elsewhere, would I sign up for two more years ????

Football is different to normal jobs, there are only 92 league clubs and for players our level there are 24 clubs give or a take a few that would be interested. Just having a club is a big thing and many will take note that players get paid late during the summer, but its generally ok so they make do, because what other option is there?

Its great Prosser and Corr signed new deals, but they are both settled here. A player with two choices on the outside may be more influenced by these issues.

Nobody wants it to be bad, and summers are always hard, but the club, despite having a massive cash injection in April, are still unable to pay salaries. There is no point trying to brush it under the carpet and pretending its normal, nor is it a sign we are going out of business tomorrow. It is what it is.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

That is the most contradictory response ever !! People either care about being paid or not, the issue about the PFA is true goes against what is under discussion. I'm sorry, but I would not think "right my payments are awful, I could go elsewhere , on more money , nah I'll stay here and rely on the Union " !!

Again , I'm not head in sand, or blind, or in love with Martin ..... Etc, but you need an alternative if not have to realise that what you've got you've got !!

And for another time - THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE !!!! He is not selling. He wants to move us to FF and will not allow anyone else complete this. Harp on as much as you can about RM etc, but its done , it's pointless. All we have left is support. Support of the players, the club, the manager etc !! Life is to short unless you personally can the current situation, which I am assuming you can't!

100% spot on!!!

 

[Beefy]

Football club owners plead poverty yet I suspect they feather their nests rather well,Money laundering and cooking the books is a license to print money,Add bar and food sales when in the hands of private firms equals another nice money spinner for dodgy owners.

Of course I am not suggesting the above occurs at SUFC.

Do you have anything to base those suspicions on?

Football is a terrible business to make money out of. "Cooking the books"? It only takes a pen, a sheet of paper and a calculator to work out that a huge amount more money goes out of a football club every month than goes in.

Football isn't a license to print money. It's a fundamentally terrible business model.

 

[mrsblue]

Do you have anything to base those suspicions on?

Football is a terrible business to make money out of. "Cooking the books"? It only takes a pen, a sheet of paper and a calculator to work out that a huge amount more money goes out of a football club every month than goes in.

Football isn't a license to print money. It's a fundamentally terrible business model.

I don't buy the common theory that owners do it to massage their ego's,They are in it to make money!,Apart from the filthy rich owners who use clubs as their toy and to massage their ego.

How many of us would want to pour money into SU without payback with interest?

 

[Jam_Man]

I don't buy the common theory that owners do it to massage their ego's,They are in it to make money!,Apart from the filthy rich owners who use clubs as their toy and to massage their ego.

How many of us would want to pour money into SU without payback with interest?

That's probably the craziest post of the day.

Football clubs dont make money and would be one of the worst routes of investment anyone could think of trying to turn a profit from.

Ron Martin and co came in to make money from the development, not from the money the football club makes.

 

[mrsblue]

That's probably the craziest post of the day.

Football clubs dont make money and would be one of the worst routes of investment anyone could think of trying to turn a profit from.

Ron Martin and co came in to make money from the development, not from the money the football club makes.

I thought Ron charge's the club 70k per year for "consultancy" and accrues the rent?

 

[Jam_Man]

I thought Ron charge's the club 70k per year for "consultancy" and accrues the rent?

He doesnt actually get the rent and as no chance to as we are losing 60k per month.

Even if he does claim a salary its hardly 'making money', check the accounts to see how much money his parent companies have put in and the debts they have built up. He is not getting rich from us nor will he until the stadium is built.

 

[mrsblue]

He doesnt actually get the rent and as no chance to as we are losing 60k per month.

Even if he does claim a salary its hardly 'making money', check the accounts to see how much money his parent companies have put in and the debts they have built up. He is not getting rich from us nor will he until the stadium is built.

I think yours is the craziest post of the day or very misguided.

 

[Jam_Man]

I think yours is the craziest post of the day or very misguided.

Have you actually seen our accounts ? Does that 8 million debt look like profit?

 

[dannypav]

If wages cannot be paid at all , then that is one thing.
If funds can be found , then the employees should be paid on time and not late !

 

[mrsblue]

Have you actually seen our accounts ? Does that 8 million debt look like profit?

The debt is owed to who exactly?,The truth is out there.

 

[Jam_Man]

The debt is owed to who exactly?,The truth is out there.

The parent company, and in turn Sainsbury.

Which means money is going into the club, not out of the club, so not a great money making scheme until the development is done and he has run up big debts just keeping the club ticking along in the meantime.

 

[Beefy]

I don't buy the common theory that owners do it to massage their ego's,They are in it to make money!,Apart from the filthy rich owners who use clubs as their toy and to massage their ego.

How many of us would want to pour money into SU without payback with interest?

Some do it for ego. I doubt Roman Abramovich was ever looking to make money out of Chelsea. Same with Robbie Cowling up the road. The Man City project seems to about promoting the image of the UAE around the World but any financial rewards will certainly not have been directly generated by the football.

Ron Martin isn't at Southend United for selfless reasons. He's here to make money. But it'll be money made off the back of the property developments. There's no money to be made from the football club itself because the business doesn't generate the cash. Any money taken out only has to be put back in whenever a tax bill or round of wages gets paid anyway. It's like taking money from one pocket and putting it into another.

 

[kentblues]

Do we need a new thread for this ?

Month after month, same thread same discussions ................

Not that it doesn't concern me , but am bored of the same old stuff !

We are trying to attract players to the club and personally don't see how such continued negative stuff can assist us in this.

It is indeed terrible, but threads of this like on this forum will not get the wages paid quicker now will they ??

Also, I hate to say this, but if the problems were as bad as being continually discussed on this forum, would two current players sign for a further 2 years if they had other opportunities ???

100% agree

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Football club owners plead poverty yet I suspect they feather their nests rather well,Money laundering and cooking the books is a license to print money,Add bar and food sales when in the hands of private firms equals another nice money spinner for dodgy owners.

Of course I am not suggesting the above occurs at SUFC.

Football is as dodgy as hell and I'm sure several foreign owners have invested in football clubs as a means of laundering, but money laundering requires you have money in the first place that needs legitimising which we don't seem to have.