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Labour and the General Election

God help us then as it's looking increasingly like the voting public will be making Labour the biggest party.

Lucy P's position in the shadow cabinet is what? Exactly, I doubt her good or bad performance on the rarely viewed Andrew Neil fronted show will wipe away a 4 point lead that was created after Milliband and Cameron were quizzed on the same show (but at Cameron's insistance there was no debate between them). Jumping on an interview by Labour MP of little celebrity smacks of the panic which the right are justified in feeling - panic, it's going to happen because 5 minutes of Cameron is more than enough.

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God help us then as it's looking increasingly like the voting public will be making Labour the biggest party.

Lucy P's position in the shadow cabinet is what? Exactly, I doubt her good or bad performance on the rarely viewed Andrew Neil fronted show will wipe away a 4 point lead that was created after Milliband and Cameron were quizzed on the same show (but at Cameron's insistance there was no debate between them). Jumping on an interview by Labour MP of little celebrity smacks of the panic which the right are justified in feeling - panic, it's going to happen because 5 years of Cameron is more than enough.

5% of the population (more Labour voters than Tories) watched the TV debate, so I wouldn't read too much into that poll...

She's MP for Manchester Central and vice-chair of Labour's election campaign so not exactly insignificant. I would be surprised if Labour was the biggest party. History suggests that the opposition has to be a long way ahead in the opinion polls to win.
 
Ah, Labour, the Party of the Working Man. The Party of the People. The Party of Socialism.

Oh wait.


Now, if truth be told, the last time I voted for a Party (I spoiled my paper last time) I voted Labour. I wont be voting Labour this time. I'd like to vote for a viable alternative to the Tories. Labour should be that, but ....

Labour's roots have always been in the working classes. That changed with Tony Blair and its not going to change any time soon. I laugh ironically when Ed Milliband is termed "Red Ed" by the Tory Media as if he is going to turn us into the Soviet Republic of Britain. Ha Ha. I wish. Essentially, Labour are now also the Party of Capitalism. Supporting big business, not chasing tax dodgers, planning welfare cuts, playing the immigration card. For Labour Party read Tory Lite. Red Tories as they are called in Scotland, who by the way are going to return a shed load of SNP MPs this time around.

They do face a serious threat from the Greens, who at least have got something almost akin to a left wing manifesto, but as UKIP have been the media darlings for the last few years, the Greens haven't had a look in and as such are unlikely to really damage Labour. The SNP and PC will however.

What I would like to see from Labour is a strong manifesto, undoing much of the madness of this Government, investing in youth and jobs, scrapping Trident (I mean you can't bomb an ideology), undoing the trough snorting of privatisation of the public services. But I wont see that, not now, not any time soon. Those days have gone and we are left with two major parties who say pretty much the same thing with the same net effect.

In fact, it seems Labour are campaigning on the message of "voting for anyone else wont get rid of the Tories". It doesn't get much more negative than that.
 
£12 billion of extra welfare cuts not yet specified where from, bedroom tax, food banks increase from 66 to 420, zero hours contracts, hunting with dogs, level of tuition fees, schools run by private companies and a ban on local authorities opening new schools, sell off of the remaining housing stock, minimum wage legislation, level of VAT, level of top rate tax, level of spending in NHS and top down reorganisation - off the top of my head these are differences between the two main parties.
 
I understand your post A.S.S. but that is differences in policy, not in PARTY. What Lord Football, myself and others are alluding to is that all (ALL) of them are in it for themselves and this washed out Labour party of never worked, no social knowledge, two kitchens, nannys, jags etc toffs is an identikit of the other shallow groups.
 
I understand your post A.S.S. but that is differences in policy, not in PARTY. What Lord Football, myself and others are alluding to is that all (ALL) of them are in it for themselves and this washed out Labour party of never worked, no social knowledge, two kitchens, nannys, jags etc toffs is an identikit of the other shallow groups.
I've spent time with the Croydon Central Labour candidate Sarah Jones and she is a decent and open minded Mum of 4, always lived in the area, worked in the NHS and housing associations - she has not been an MP before and is enthused and energetic and talks to people in detail about real concerns. I've briefly seen Sadiq Khan, Chuka Umunna, Tessa Jowell among others out in the street canvassing and they are a world away from the Vaseline on the screen versions of themselves you will see on TV. The various Councillors that I have been out with all have a strong local knowledge and all hold surgeries to help people with issues that need assistance with.
I can't speak for any other party but I have met a lot of decent people who want to change things for the better and invest a lot of time trying to do that.
 
I understand your post A.S.S. but that is differences in policy, not in PARTY. What Lord Football, myself and others are alluding to is that all (ALL) of them are in it for themselves and this washed out Labour party of never worked, no social knowledge, two kitchens, nannys, jags etc toffs is an identikit of the other shallow groups.

I've never quite got that argument. Are you saying only poor people can vote labour otherwise you consider them hypocrites? Why aren't people allowed to have a social conscience? Moreover, are poor people that vote conservative also hypocrites?
 
I understand your post A.S.S. but that is differences in policy, not in PARTY. What Lord Football, myself and others are alluding to is that all (ALL) of them are in it for themselves and this washed out Labour party of never worked, no social knowledge, two kitchens, nannys, jags etc toffs is an identikit of the other shallow groups.

I am not alluding to that. John McDonnell, Jeremy Corbyn, Dennis Skinner, certainly are not in it for themselves. However, they are a minority. Labour shifted to the right because of the Murdoch hatchet job that made their policies seem crackers (they weren't). They've not had the balls to shift back to the left, and are reigned in from doing so by what we lazily call Blairites.
 
I was very disappointed about the Jack Straw story of selling his influence; I thought he was "old school" labour but it would seem he is another making themselves rich from the position of MP.
 
I've spent time with the Croydon Central Labour candidate Sarah Jones and she is a decent and open minded Mum of 4, always lived in the area, worked in the NHS and housing associations - she has not been an MP before and is enthused and energetic and talks to people in detail about real concerns. I've briefly seen Sadiq Khan, Chuka Umunna, Tessa Jowell among others out in the street canvassing and they are a world away from the Vaseline on the screen versions of themselves you will see on TV. The various Councillors that I have been out with all have a strong local knowledge and all hold surgeries to help people with issues that need assistance with.
I can't speak for any other party but I have met a lot of decent people who want to change things for the better and invest a lot of time trying to do that.

You could say that about a lot of other known faces while on the campaign trail. John Major with his crate springs to mind. I will never forget the sight of Sir Bernard Braine flying around the Vic House roundabout on the back of a jeep, flags flying and him, loud hailer in one hand while the other was punching the air telling all and sundry to get out and vote Tory. It was one of the most bazaar things I think I have ever seen. It must have been the 1983 election and he won by a landslide [58.5% of a 71.3% turn out] I don't suppose it was a usual weekend past time but it certainly done the trick.
 
Labour plans to end non-dom status.

http://www.bbc.com/news/32213003

Morally speaking it sounds like an excellent idea to me, even though economically speaking, it might eventually lead to the loss of revenue.

Thoughts?

With you on this one. I have read a piece (below) that says it could end up improving the overall tax yield, but for me the main argument against it is the moral one. It just stinks.

http://waitingfortax.com/2015/04/08/how-much-might-we-raise-if-we-restrict-non-dom-status/
 
Labour plans to end non-dom status.

http://www.bbc.com/news/32213003

Morally speaking it sounds like an excellent idea to me, even though economically speaking, it might eventually lead to the loss of revenue.

Thoughts?

No one really knows whether this will result in more or less tax revenue. But the Tories have got really worked up by this, so it must be good idea.

I would guess that more than a few 'non doms' help to fund the Tories. Perhaps it is time to call their bluff to see if they would leave the country.
 
Why do we need to bribe the super rich to be in London? If all that London has to offer isn't enough then go elsewhere. It was the same with the minimum wage - numerous people said they would quit the UK if it was brought in and......they didn't.
If the Tories don't want to back a fairer tax system so be it. This is the Labour Party being bold and doing the right thing, if tax dodgers, people that make money from tax dodgers and Tories want to be up in arms about it then let them.
 
These "Non-Doms" also employ a lot of people in this country who pay tax and NI along with a great deal of corporation tax. These amounts far outweigh probably by about 7 billion pounds which could quite easily walk out of the door as Ed Balls well knows, hence why he ruled out this policy 3 months ago!
 
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