Hostility against Phil Brown.

[The Prawn]

And we wonder why we are in the bottom league?
The question of wherther we should have sacked Luggy has no bearing on the new guy appointed. Whether you have issues with Ron Martin - also irrelevent to a new manager.

I am disgusted that supporters are hostile to a guy who has not even started the job. If that is "SUPPORTING" - I give up!

Best post on this forum. I often think fans forget how to 'support'!

 

[Napster]

Best post on this forum. I often think fans forget how to 'support'!

What? we want the best for the club. That means the best managerial appointment. I'm sceptical Brown is but happy to wait and see. I don't blindly support every decision made, otherwise it's not a football club it's a cult.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Sorry DWB, I think you mainly talk sense, but that statement is utter gash!

Lol...thanks for your honest appraisal of my post and for using MY word.

 

[Pubey]

Managers come and go, Southend United forever.

One thing that can be said about Ron is that he's got a good record of picking managers. Hopefully Brown will continue that.

 

[Napster]

One thing that can be said about Ron is that he's got a good record of picking managers. Hopefully Brown will continue that.

Tilly was more fortuitous. He wanted Atkins. Plus of course there was Wignall. And Little. Newman wasn't exactly inspired more a continuity thing. So I would say it's been mixed.

 

[Ex-Member1]

Jumped in far too quickly IMHO but time will tell. COYBB

 

[Pubey]

Tilly was more fortuitous. He wanted Atkins. Plus of course there was Wignall. And Little. Newman wasn't exactly inspired more a continuity thing. So I would say it's been mixed.

I'd say he learnt his lessons with Wignall and Little. Tilly wasn't fortuitous, I don't think Tilly was many people's choice as an outright permanent manager at the start, but after a good start as caretaker Martin took the gamble and gave him a chance.

 

[dannypav]

What? we want the best for the club. That means the best managerial appointment. I'm sceptical Brown is but happy to wait and see. I don't blindly support every decision made, otherwise it's not a football club it's a cult.

That wasn't a typo was it ?

 

[Napster]

That wasn't a typo was it ?

:hilarious::smile:

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I'd say he learnt his lessons with Wignall and Little. Tilly wasn't fortuitous, I don't think Tilly was many people's choice as an outright permanent manager at the start, but after a good start as caretaker Martin took the gamble and gave him a chance.

Tilson wasn't a gamble by the time Martin got round to giving him the job.

Brown is in the same mould as Wignall and Little. A journeyman northern manager (and at least Wignall's career was down south). Emphasis on fitness, organisation, being defensively sound, pressing, football as a science etc. Ian Atkins, who Martin wanted instead of Tilson, was of the same ilk.

Sturrock was similar except Scottish and he had a better CV. Think of all the downsides to Sturrock - well they all apply just as much as to Brown just without the upsides.

Brown's a ****ing awful appointment on so many levels. Brown isn't use to working on the sort of budget we are on, let alone the budget we should be on. In fact he isn't use to working full stop. By budget I don't just mean transfer budget I mean sports science - paying for training pitches, specialist coaches, in-depth statistical analysis. He isn't use to dealing with embargoes. He's use to dealing with championship players. If he has any success he's going to **** off elsewhere. He's got no connection to the club and has to win over a set of supporters 75% of whom wanted the old manager retained and the other 25% who just want the manager before that back. I can't see a single upside to his appointment.

 

[devonexile]

Jumped in far too quickly IMHO but time will tell. COYBB

I doubt it, Martin had this planned weeks ago.

 

[Napster]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Yorkshire Blue again.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I was one calling for Luggy to go and I stand by that............... In fairness to him we have on paper a guy that has managed in the Prem and the championship so I guess he could be good. Happy to wait and see but not at all inspired at this stage.

We had one of those but he wasn't good enough for you. Why should brown be any different

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

I'll give Brown a chance and support him as I've supported all Southend managers. However apart from Hull his record is not great. However with Hull it's very good. There was always a quiz question "which is the biggest city in England never to have had a club in the top division?". The answer was of course Hull before brown came along. That's some achievement. However it came with the Kingston stadium so he did not do it on a shoe string.

 

[Beefy]

Tilson wasn't a gamble by the time Martin got round to giving him the job.

Brown is in the same mould as Wignall and Little. A journeyman northern manager (and at least Wignall's career was down south). Emphasis on fitness, organisation, being defensively sound, pressing, football as a science etc. Ian Atkins, who Martin wanted instead of Tilson, was of the same ilk.

Sturrock was similar except Scottish and he had a better CV. Think of all the downsides to Sturrock - well they all apply just as much as to Brown just without the upsides.

Brown's a ****ing awful appointment on so many levels. Brown isn't use to working on the sort of budget we are on, let alone the budget we should be on. In fact he isn't use to working full stop. By budget I don't just mean transfer budget I mean sports science - paying for training pitches, specialist coaches, in-depth statistical analysis. He isn't use to dealing with embargoes. He's use to dealing with championship players. If he has any success he's going to **** off elsewhere. He's got no connection to the club and has to win over a set of supporters 75% of whom wanted the old manager retained and the other 25% who just want the manager before that back. I can't see a single upside to his appointment.

Thing is, I can't disagree with any of this. He must have really impressed Ron Martin when they met because on the face of it none of it really stacks up. When most people think of Phil Brown they think of the infamous half-time on-pitch bollocking he gave his players at Hull but I think of various interviews I've seen of him in which he used to go on about sports science and a level of statistical analysis which is not readily available in League Two.

All the noises out of Roots Hall right now suggest to me that the financial problems we've managed pretty well over the last 18 months are likely to back with a vengeance over the rest of 2013. Brown hasn't really been in that position before that I can tell.

He's our manager and I'll back him 100%. I hope he's a massive success and that if he is a massive success he'll stay loyal for a couple of years instead of running off to join the first Championship Club who flatter their eyelashes at him. I'm not overly optimistic that either of these things will happen.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I think I'd even rather Martin Allen.

Having written that I have locked away all sharp objects.

 

[Pubey]

Yeah I can't really disagree with Yorkie either. We'll just have to see how things pan out. Let's not forget that hopefully there'll be some good stadium news pretty soon....:whistling:

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Strong points YB. My main concern is his lack of experience at this level and his lack of experience with lower league players with lesser abilities than he has worked with before. I hope he will realise that many of our best signings have been non league diamonds or players from this or league 1 and that by and large those from the championship have been poor.

I think whats clear is that Brown has applied for many jobs, not got them- why is this? Either he is so full of himself that it deters chairman or that he has just been beaten by the better candidate. He is now at the point where he will accept any job to get a footing back in the game therefore I wonder if he will have the right level of committment. I wouldve liked to have seen Justin Edinburgh or someone like Andy Edwards given a go.

 

[superblue24]

We had one of those but he wasn't good enough for you. Why should brown be any different

When did Sturrock manage in the Premier League?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

When did Sturrock manage in the Premier League?

It was around 2005.