The EU Referendum

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not according to Beefy............so I thought I'd come over here and share the words of Anthony Wedgewood Benn but they're obviously wasted...........is this another abuse without a shred of an argument to support the abuse place?

Ha! I've seen TB talk many times.His anti-EU views were well known.Unlike him, the Labour party (after losing an election under Michael Foot on an anti-EU stance back in '83) turned itself into a pro-EU party.

For reasons as to why I'm pro-EU scroll back a few pages.

 

[callan]

There is certainly an issue here.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36304721

You might want to change your signature....

 

[rigsby]

You might want to change your signature....

Plenty of irony in that signature.

Will Merkel be 'right' for speeding up the break up of the EU. Or will she be 'right' for helping the inevitable rise in right wing politics throughout Europe.

 

[mfurok]

Plenty of irony in that signature.

Will Merkel be 'right' for speeding up the break up of the EU. Or will she be 'right' for helping the inevitable rise in right wing politics throughout Europe.

The former.

The EU and more particulsrly the Euro inevitably caused the latter.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You might want to change your signature....

As you said

If this is true.

Plenty of irony in that signature.

Will Merkel be 'right' for speeding up the break up of the EU. Or will she be 'right' for helping the inevitable rise in right wing politics throughout Europe.

No she'll be "right" for showing a positive lead in the ongoing refugee crisis.Something the rest of Europe should wake up to.

The idea that the EU will "break up" is clearly some sort of UKIP fantasy.

The former.

The EU and more particulsrly the Euro inevitably caused the latter.

I wouldn't go on the pooter late at night old chap.Inevitably leads to typos (not to mention muddled thinking).:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The EU fights back.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36314814

 

[Beefy]

He should shut up. Those headlines will not help.

 

[callan]

The EU fights back.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36314814

Who voted for Donald Tusk?

 

[mfurok]

As you said



No she'll be "right" for showing a positive lead in the ongoing refugee crisis.Something the rest of Europe should wake up to.

The idea that the EU will "break up" is clearly some sort of UKIP fantasy.



I wouldn't go on the pooter late at night old chap.Inevitably leads to typos (not to mention muddled thinking).:winking:

Have you read Paul Mason in the Grauniad today?

Or is it the Telegraph for you these days now you're best pals with Dave?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Who voted for Donald Tusk?

I look forward to hearing Sadiq Khan's opinions on Hitler soon.Looks like everyone else has had their say.:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Have you read Paul Mason in the Grauniad today?

Or is it the Telegraph for you these days now you're best pals with Dave?

The Leftwing Case for Brexit (one day) you mean? Yes.The operative term is the last two words in brackets.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory

"The time to confront Europe over a leftwing agenda is when you have a Labour government, and the EU is resisting it."

 

[callan]

I look forward to hearing Sadiq Khan's opinions on Hitler soon.Looks like everyone else has had their say.:winking:

That's all very interesting Tory boy, but doesn't answer the question who voted for Tusk?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That's all very interesting Tory boy, but doesn't answer the question who voted for Tusk?

Plenty of Polish people have.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tusk

BTW,as my good friend mfurok knows full well,I've never voted Tory in my life.Unlike him.:smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36317176

Heseltine reckons Boris's "judgement is going" over the EU.

Love all this Blue on blue stuff.:smile:

 

[mfurok]

The Leftwing Case for Brexit (one day) you mean? Yes.The operative term is the last two words in brackets.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory

"The time to confront Europe over a leftwing agenda is when you have a Labour government, and the EU is resisting it."

Read the beginning.

Where is he wrong? (Spelt correctly).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Read the beginning.

Where is he wrong? (Spelt correctly).

Much as I like Paul Mason,(especially his Newsnight and C4 economic reports),he's always been a bit of a maverick.

The article ( very much like his recent PostCapitalism:A Guide to our Future) is good on analysis,short on solutions.

(In fact the only solution he offers is the one I quoted).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36319085

I see the Sun has taken a rap for suggesting that the Queen was in favour of Brexit.:smile:

 

[mfurok]

Much as I like Paul Mason,(especially his Newsnight and C4 economic reports),he's always been a bit of a maverick.

The article ( very much like his recent PostCapitalism:A Guide to our Future) is good on analysis,short on solutions.

(In fact the only solution he offers is the one I quoted).

His solution is to exit.

The timing of exit is a party political issue but he has analysed all of the pros and cons and his solution is unequivocally to exit.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

His solution is to exit.

The timing of exit is a party political issue but he has analysed all of the pros and cons and his solution is unequivocally to exit.

Yes that was clear from what I quoted.AsI said, Paul Mason's always been a maverick.

The left,on the whole,is not divided over the EU.

Tories like you are.

 

[mfurok]

Yes that was clear from what I quoted.AsI said, Paul Mason's always been a maverick.

The left,on the whole,is not divided over the EU.

Tories like you are.

Now now old chap.

I think you'll find that I'm the one defending the right of British workers to shape their own destiny whereas you are joining with the Tory Prime Minister, the CBI, the Bank of England, the IMF, the bureaucratic monolith in Brussels and many other capitalist institutions that I didn't realise were so close to your heart.

AWB would turn in his grave - and that arch Tory, Michael Foot.