Ranger released from prison

Leoblue · Aug 10, 2017

Massimo Giovanni said:
As I tried to explain earlier in this thread, with prison shortfalls and not sufficient staff inmates can't be escorted to meetings with the likes of probation staff so release parole assessments and agreements are taking place, so persons aren't being released when maybe they ought to be. There is a real chance Ranger has not done anything further wrong.

But knowing him, that's probably a slim chance.

Magnum PI · Aug 10, 2017

Can we give the guy a break. It must be extremely hard to be in a tough jail as a celebrity and not get involved in stuff. Let'd judge him on the outside...

Blues4LifeDan · Aug 11, 2017

Magnum PI said:
Can we give the guy a break. It must be extremely hard to be in a tough jail as a celebrity and not get involved in stuff. Let'd judge him on the outside...

It's supposed to be tough in jail, period! That's what happens when you defraud a poor, vulnerable pensioner. It would be an absolute disgrace if he didn't have a tough time in there after doing what he did. Anyone would say the same if he'd done it to one of our own relatives.

This guy has been in trouble his whole life, reforming seems a hugely unlikely scenario. That's not being pessimistic, it's being logical.

KiwiRob · Aug 11, 2017

Blues4LifeDan said:
It's supposed to be tough in jail, period! That's what happens when you defraud a poor, vulnerable pensioner. It would be an absolute disgrace if he didn't have a tough time in there after doing what he did. Anyone would say the same if he'd done it to one of our own relatives.

This guy has been in trouble his whole life, reforming seems a hugely unlikely scenario. That's not being pessimistic, it's being logical.

Surely, it is never too late to turn a new page. Perhaps Ricky Otto could help?

Blueronron · Aug 11, 2017

Magnum PI said:
Can we give the guy a break. It must be extremely hard to be in a tough jail as a celebrity and not get involved in stuff. Let'd judge him on the outside...

celebrity was that tongue in cheek :smile:

rigsby · Aug 11, 2017

Blues4LifeDan said:
It's supposed to be tough in jail, period! That's what happens when you defraud a poor, vulnerable pensioner. It would be an absolute disgrace if he didn't have a tough time in there after doing what he did. Anyone would say the same if he'd done it to one of our own relatives.

This guy has been in trouble his whole life, reforming seems a hugely unlikely scenario. That's not being pessimistic, it's being logical.

That's exactly what he was doing once he joined us. That's why we gave him a contract and have not sacked him. I don't think anyone says he shouldn't be punished but this case highlights how prison is not always the answer for certain people.

If say he had to pay the victim 3 times the amount they were scammed and have to coach kids for 3 afternoons/evenings for the next 2 years, with a threat of real jail time should he fail to tick all the right boxes. Then surely we would achieve better justice for all. For the victim, for him and for society.

Ex-Member1 · Aug 11, 2017

Utopia would be a wonderful place I am sure. Pity we don't live there but have to put up with life as it actually is.

Blueronron · Aug 11, 2017

rigsby said:
That's exactly what he was doing once he joined us. That's why we gave him a contract and have not sacked him. I don't think anyone says he shouldn't be punished but this case highlights how prison is not always the answer for certain people.

If say he had to pay the victim 3 times the amount they were scammed and have to coach kids for 3 afternoons/evenings for the next 2 years, with a threat of real jail time should he fail to tick all the right boxes. Then surely we would achieve better justice for all. For the victim, for him and for society.

This has nothing to do with money for the victim at the end of the day,whether he was directly involved, or just part of the sting, he should serve his time and be a good boy

Too easy to say pay this ,pay that to the victim, when at the end of the day no amount of money can give back the stress and possible health issue this may have on an old person.
If he had been at any other club, people would be saying he's a bad boy, wasted his chance etc, but because he's a Southend player, we feel pity

Justice is serving your time, though sometimes to lenient on many cases as seen on here

UTS

manor15 · Aug 11, 2017

rigsby said:
If say he had to pay the victim 3 times the amount they were scammed and have to coach kids for 3 afternoons/evenings for the next 2 years, with a threat of real jail time should he fail to tick all the right boxes. Then surely we would achieve better justice for all. For the victim, for him and for society.

If it was your grandmother whose savings he had been involved in stealing, would you be happy with him paying up 2/3 weeks wages and spending a couple of hours a week on a football pitch as punishment?

Very easy to look at it from NR's point of view and think he's been hard done by whilst forgetting that is one end of the scale of beliefs on what is appropriate punishment.

rigsby · Aug 11, 2017

irenbird said:
Utopia would be a wonderful place I am sure. Pity we don't live there but have to put up with life as it actually is.

Aren't they in the Vanarama North this season?

rigsby · Aug 11, 2017

manor15 said:
If it was your grandmother whose savings he had been involved in stealing, would you be happy with him paying up 2/3 weeks wages and spending a couple of hours a week on a football pitch as punishment?

Very easy to look at it from NR's point of view and think he's been hard done by whilst forgetting that is one end of the scale of beliefs on what is appropriate punishment.

I wasn't.

I did point out that the prison system is a total failure for some. Yes we all know some people need locking up for life and no form of rehabilitation is needed. But there is a ridiculous rate of re-offending amongst people who have been released. It seems we are all keen for the punishment bit but want to ignore the rehabilitation side of things.

Yes some of you would love to ban Nile Ranger from football for ever with a smug told you so. Most offenders have less avenues to choose in life and if you close Niles best chance then you would make it far more likely he would be back in prison.

manor15 · Aug 11, 2017

rigsby said:
I wasn't.

I did point out that the prison system is a total failure for some. Yes we all know some people need locking up for life and no form of rehabilitation is needed. But there is a ridiculous rate of re-offending amongst people who have been released. It seems we are all keen for the punishment bit but want to ignore the rehabilitation side of things.

Yes some of you would love to ban Nile Ranger from football for ever with a smug told you so. Most offenders have less avenues to choose in life and if you close Niles best chance then you would make it far more likely he would be back in prison.

Again, I wasn't arguing with your point that prison isn't best for some and there are definitely cases where it only makes things worse for offenders. Equally as for some offenders, community service and a fine would only make things worse and encourage them to commit more crime. There's no easy solution.

For sure football is Nile's best chance, but given how many times he has been told he's on his last chance, you have to wonder if the message will ever sink in.

onceknownasrab · Aug 11, 2017

Hold on to your seats! I agree with Rigsby? NR should have been hit in the pocket to compensate the victim. No it would not make up for the possible stress and anxiety but it is a part recompense. Then, as Rigsby said, football related community service would be a good option. A chance for people to learn and a chance for NR to do something good and regain some self respect. What may appear as a soft option can actually, with some offenders, be constructive. Prison has its place but can make matters worse and we all end up paying the consequence of bitter recidivists.

WESTY_SUFC · Aug 11, 2017

rigsby said:
If say he had to pay the victim 3 times the amount they were scammed and have to coach kids for 3 afternoons/evenings for the next 2 years, with a threat of real jail time should he fail to tick all the right boxes. Then surely we would achieve better justice for all. For the victim, for him and for society.

This is comedy gold. What a tough punishment that would be.

MK Shrimper · Aug 11, 2017

WESTY_SUFC said:
This is comedy gold. What a tough punishment that would be.

And if he now blows his career and commits more crimes to innocents? Who wins then? Nobody.

In a rare moment of madness I'm in agreement with Rigsby.

Barry.C · Aug 11, 2017

The thing I find a little strange is Phils statement that the club no nothing at all about whats going on? As he is still contracted to us does a duty of care apply? If Nile is not saying whats going on, I get it too a point, but wouldnt his agent have a word, Do family? friends know whats going on? Shouldnt we ring the prison and ask? or are the club really that far in the dark ?

Oakley1 · Aug 11, 2017

Barry.C said:
The thing I find a little strange is Phils statement that the club no nothing at all about whats going on? As he is still contracted to us does a duty of care apply? If Nile is not saying whats going on, I get it too a point, but wouldnt his agent have a word, Do family? friends know whats going on? Shouldnt we ring the prison and ask? or are the club really that far in the dark ?

Lets hope he hasn't screwed up in prison and they have extended his stay inside

Oakley1 · Aug 11, 2017

we can welcome back Luke McCormick again this season....

united we stand · Aug 11, 2017

Is ranger likely to have an electronic tag? If yes , How does that work for matches and curfew on evening matches and away games where we stay overnight? I am guessing that might take some time to set up ( although I'm not suggesting it's why he is not yet out).

blues exile · Aug 11, 2017

There is clearly more to this than the club is prepared to comment on publicly. The notion that they are in the dark is plainly nonsense and there may well be valid reasons for their reticence. In the meantime I think we could all do with a rest from the reality show car crash that Ranger's life seems doomed to be trapped in.