Post-Match Thread and Ratings Southend United 0-0 Wrexham

Cecil Jones · Sep 17, 2022

But it was handball. I don’t know if it was disallowed for offside, but definitely handball. Right decision for the goal not to stand.

kentblues · Sep 17, 2022

sufc4life21 said:
Looking at the video it's onside but it's handball....... in theory the goal shouldn't of stood anyway. Its a decent point against the best side in this league.

So what you are saying is they made two shocking decisions not one and therefore by chance it’s ok… but they are at two levels. The handball, if it was, is just another missed foul or error amongst many, that happens at this level and we hope evens out. The changing of a decision for something else (that never was) under pressure was another…entirely?

amsemp · Sep 17, 2022

The General said:
Did Dalby get much stick!?

Warmed up a fair bit in front of the east stand but from where I was sitting he didn’t get any. Seemed quite happy at the final whistle to see the boys and had a chat with Kev. Don’t really think he deserved any flack though to be fair. No one can blame him for going when the salary on offer was probably life changing in what is a short career, and we seem to have used the Dalby money for Kasper so everyone’s a winner really.

sufc4life21 · Sep 17, 2022

kentblues said:
So what you are saying is they made two shocking decisions not one and therefore by chance it’s ok… but they are at two levels. The handball, if it was, is just another missed foul or error amongst many, that happens at this level and we hope evens out. The changing of a decision for something else (that never was) under pressure was another…entirely?

I'm going by what iv seen on the video. The ball has struck the arm of southend player before it reaches Hyde who is onside. The officials have made poor judgment call interms of the decision they have given. If VAR was in the national league they would of disallowed it.

kentblues · Sep 17, 2022

amsemp said:
Warmed up a fair bit in front of the east stand but from where I was sitting he didn’t get any. Seemed quite happy at the final whistle to see the boys and had a chat with Kev. Don’t really think he deserved any flack though to be fair. No one can blame him for going when the salary on offer was probably life changing in what is a short career, and we seem to have used the Dalby money for Kasper so everyone’s a winner really.

Agree. It’s tough. You have the Lopata’s who put playing regularly and enjoying it ahead of £ and level. Others have different priorities and you can’t blame them. You make your choice. I do wonder how the 57 minutes of football he has got this season so far will be developing him as a player. No doubt his chance will come.

kentblues · Sep 17, 2022

sufc4life21 said:
I'm going by what iv seen on the video. The ball has struck the arm of southend player before it reaches Hyde who is onside. The officials have made poor judgment call interms of the decision they have given. If VAR was in the national league they would of disallowed it.

The poor judgement call is re the handball perhaps (although VAR gets as much wrong as right so you never know) but what followed raises far more serious questions. If we had VAR would they have been down to 10 men for the short pull on Mooney? We don’t have VAR so it’s a moot point I guess.

Evening Echo · Sep 17, 2022

SOUTHEND United boss Kevin Maher felt his side were ‘outstanding’ in Saturday’s 0-0 draw with Wrexham at Roots Hall.

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Joolz · Sep 17, 2022

OldBlueLady said:
From @manor15 's dad on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571197955691905027

The most criminal thing about that? Not a single Southend player berating the referee after changing his mind. We are too nice.

kentblues · Sep 17, 2022

Joolz said:
The most criminal thing about that? Not a single Southend player berating the referee after changing his mind. We are too nice.

By that time we had celebrated the goal at length and returned to our own half and were ready for the restart- but I agree. This is where you miss Demi :-)

Holy Joe · Sep 17, 2022

kentblues said:
Agree. It’s tough. You have the Lopata’s who put playing regularly and enjoying it ahead of £ and level. Others have different priorities and you can’t blame them. You make your choice. I do wonder how the 57 minutes of football he has got this season so far will be developing him as a player. No doubt his chance will come.

I guess Dalby is a couple of years ahead of Lopata, having dropped into non league a couple of years ago, so the move for money now may make perfect sense. Lopata may be making a short term pain for long term gain financial decision. How do our wages compare with sheff u u21 wages anyway?

Leigh_Seasider · Sep 17, 2022

sufc4life21 said:
I'm going by what iv seen on the video. The ball has struck the arm of southend player before it reaches Hyde who is onside. The officials have made poor judgment call interms of the decision they have given. If VAR was in the national league they would of disallowed it.

The point is, there’s no VAR in the NL and the ref and lino (appeared to) see no handball, the lino didn’t flag initially and the chap with a whistle only ruled out the goal when Wrexham players complained en masse.

Should’ve stood .. you can’t change your mind if you’ve missed the handball to start with and can’t watch a video replay to double check what’s gone on! And it wasn’t offside, no chance.

Evening Echo · Sep 17, 2022

SOUTHEND United fans have their say on Saturday's 0-0 draw with Wrexham at Roots Hall.

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Evening Echo · Sep 17, 2022

WREXHAM boss Phil Parkinson would have been disappointed if Jake Hyde’s goal had been allowed to stand.

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* ORM * · Sep 17, 2022

JD said:
I don’t want to defend the officials as they were pony, but VAR would of ruled the goal out for handball.

Would it have picked up on your grammar? I loose it every time I see this written.

Medway Blue · Sep 17, 2022

Cecil Jones said:
But it was handball. I don’t know if it was disallowed for offside, but definitely handball. Right decision for the goal not to stand.

sufc4life21 said:
I'm going by what iv seen on the video. The ball has struck the arm of southend player before it reaches Hyde who is onside. The officials have made poor judgment call interms of the decision they have given. If VAR was in the national league they would of disallowed it.

Sorry, but The assertion that it was a clear habdball is hugely debatable.

TheSouthendUnitedRunner · Sep 17, 2022

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WREXHAM boss Phil Parkinson would have been disappointed if Jake Hyde’s goal had been allowed to stand.

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Phil Parkinson claiming we went direct?! Pot kettle black.

Wrexham, for the money & the “Hollywood” were poor. They have decent players, but the only real time they looked threatening, was set pieces. Especially Tozer’s long throw.

Exactly the same as Parkinson‘s sides have always played.

sufc4life21 · Sep 17, 2022

Leigh_Seasider said:
The point is, there’s no VAR in the NL and the ref and lino (appeared to) see no handball, the lino didn’t flag initially and the chap with a whistle only ruled out the goal when Wrexham players complained en masse.

Should’ve stood .. you can’t change your mind if you’ve missed the handball to start with and can’t watch a video replay to double check what’s gone on! And it wasn’t offside, no chance.

I agree the goal isn't offside but it is handball before it reaches Hyde. The officials looked to have been swayed by the Wrexham players which is wrong. The officials are right to disallow the goal, just not for offside.

THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK · Sep 17, 2022

Noor made a massive difference today, with and without the ball. He showed real quality.

Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset · Sep 17, 2022

A good performance and Husin MOM, plus a top drawer save from Collin. But:

- the two strikers play too far apart from each other and so do not properly support each other, they play like two individuals rather thsn as a pair
- we need at least one midfielder who is regularly able to run in to the box to support the front two when a cross comes in. That should be Mooney, he doesn't do it enough
- someone who could take a long throw would be nice as an option, they had someone to do that and it caused a bit of havoc
- crossing practice needed with balls being put in with more pace so if we get a head to it then it is just about direction as the power is already there.
- when taking throw ons in our half the centre backs need to drop back quickly to give a passing option rather than a 50/50 ball up the field

From SSID and Barry Silkman

kentblues · Sep 17, 2022

We must let the abysmal officiating overshadow this. Firstly a free scoring Wrexham were reduced to a few opportunities and the clean sheet was deserved. And the performance was good. I think a 3412 gives us just that little bit more in MF and Miley and Husin is a good pairing as they are both high energy and give som “bite”. All in all positive as was Hyde getting a shift in.