Fossetts Farm

[footymad13]

A Question for Mr Martin, When will you be submitting the plans for FF into the council ?

He perviously stated he would be submitting plans by the end of the Summer, now we are in the middle of September and still no announcement from the club.

Whats going on?

 

[rabbloke]

It would be prudent to start worrying now. Why is such a big issue kept so quiet by the club. You would have thought that they would use every opportunity to publicise the 'magnificent' development of FF. Not a peep! WHY? Theres something fishy here and its not an Essex girls undercrackers.

 

[Wessex Blue]

What's happening with the B&Q superstore and the hospital outpatients dept then? Has approval been finalised and worked started or is there still some legal / administrative holdup that's delaying the start?

 

[fbm]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Sep. 14 2004,13:16)]It would be prudent to start worrying now. Why is such a big issue kept so quiet by the club. You would have thought that they would use every opportunity to publicise the 'magnificent' development of FF. Not a peep! WHY? Theres something fishy here and its not an Essex girls undercrackers.

Why would it be prudent to start worrying?

There is nothing we can do about it.

Don't worry about things you have no control over.

 

[AllAtSea]

According to this earlier post on SZ it says six months from when the announcement was made in late April.

Link

So by that logic RM still has another month to deliver the goods.

 

[Technician]

My source at the club told me on Saturday that we should be in the new Stadium in 3 years [07/08 season]. Plans are not at a very advanced stage yet and a number of factors [undivulged] have to be taken into account, including legal processes and the like... The quoted timescale is apparently quite typical!  

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Technician @ Sep. 14 2004,14:15)]My source at the club told me on Saturday that we should be in the new Stadium in 3 years [07/08 season]. Plans are not at a very advanced stage yet and a number of factors [undivulged] have to be taken into account, including legal processes and the like... The quoted timescale is apparently quite typical!  

Great organization by RM there.

 

[rabbloke]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Sep. 14 2004,13:27)]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Sep. 14 2004,13:16)]It would be prudent to start worrying now. Why is such a big issue kept so quiet by the club. You would have thought that they would use every opportunity to publicise the 'magnificent' development of FF. Not a peep! WHY? Theres something fishy here and its not an Essex girls undercrackers.

Why would it be prudent to start worrying?

There is nothing we can do about it.

Don't worry about things you have no control over.

I would like to think there is something we can do about it, even if it is letting them know precisely what we think of being sold down the river. I would not like to wake up one morning and find that my beloved Blues were no more and the Hall was about to be a housing estate or hypermarket. When too much business is conducted behind closed doors or on the quiet it is generally bad news for someone. I do not want to be that someone.

 

[londonblue]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Sep. 14 2004,14:31)]

Quote[/b] (fbm @ Sep. 14 2004,13:27)]

Quote[/b] (rabbloke @ Sep. 14 2004,13:16)]It would be prudent to start worrying now. Why is such a big issue kept so quiet by the club. You would have thought that they would use every opportunity to publicise the 'magnificent' development of FF. Not a peep! WHY? Theres something fishy here and its not an Essex girls undercrackers.

Why would it be prudent to start worrying?

There is nothing we can do about it.

Don't worry about things you have no control over.

I would like to think there is something we can do about it, even if it is letting them know precisely what we think of being sold down the river. I would not like to wake up one morning and find that my beloved Blues were no more and the Hall was about to be a housing estate or hypermarket. When too much business is conducted behind closed doors or on the quiet it is generally bad news for someone. I do not want to be that someone.

So, taking the "prudent" approach and worrying about it will make a difference?

If RM wanted to close SUFC down and develop Roots Hall don't you think he would have done so by now instead of wasting time and money on the club, including giving players two year contracts?

If things aren't moving at the pace we would like (and you can include me in that), worrying will not make a difference. If we force the club to divulge something and they don't, whether we like it or not, we have to trust that RM is doing the right thing. If they haven't told us anything they must have a reason. It could be that there is nothing to say at the moment, but more than likely it is because they don't want outsiders (eg Karers) to know more about the plans than they need to at this moment in time.

RM seems to be a past master at getting planning applications through Southend Council and I for one believe he will be successful this time too, it just may take longer than we would like! I'm sure there is a lot of "work" being done in the background (including schmoozing certain council members and planning officers) that we do not know about.

It is just a case of being patient and waiting. I have to confess that isn't something that i'm very good at, but I would rather wait a few months and get good news than force the club to tell us what is going on now and allow other people to know more than they need to, which could in turn lead to a failed application bid.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,14:20)]Great organization by RM there.

As opposed to your own reputation for experience and expertise in the stadium construction world ... ?!

WS

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2004,19:05)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,14:20)]Great organization by RM there.

As opposed to your own reputation for experience and expertise in the stadium construction world ... ?!

WS

And you've never questioned anything about FF or the Club ? so it means you can do it better i take it ?

All im saying is its worrying and considering his in the trade himself he should know roughly the sort of timescale we are looking at and the one his saying does seem to be unrealistic.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,21:56)]

Quote[/b] (Jávea Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2004,19:05)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,14:20)]Great organization by RM there.

As opposed to your own reputation for experience and expertise in the stadium construction world ... ?!

WS

And you've never questioned anything about FF or the Club ? so it means you can do it better i take it ?

All im saying is its worrying and considering his in the trade himself he should know roughly the sort of timescale we are looking at and the one his saying does seem to be unrealistic.

Yes, Luke, but I've never pretended to know anything about stadium construction. In the past I've quoted timescales and budgets from data given to me by other more knowledgable parties. You seem rather flippant in writing off RM's "organization" (sic) yet, as far as I know, you don't have any expertise or experience in this profession (and neither do I before you embark on a crusade) and you are therefore in no position to criticise. You may have an interest in new stadia but that does not make you a construction specialist, not by a long chalk ...

Of course, we can ALL complain about the LACK of information on the Fossetts Farm saga. I've no doubt that RM does indeed KNOW the timescale but is keeping it very much close to his chest whilst developing the project **on paper** for application to the local council. And he has every right to do so. But our arguments fall well short of the target if we don't have a complete understanding of the subject matter in hand. That's all I'm saying ...

WS

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,21:56)]

Quote[/b] (Jávea Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2004,19:05)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,14:20)]Great organization by RM there.

As opposed to your own reputation for experience and expertise in the stadium construction world ... ?!

WS

And you've never questioned anything about FF or the Club ? so it means you can do it better i take it ?

All im saying is its worrying and considering his in the trade himself he should know roughly the sort of timescale we are looking at and the one his saying does seem to be unrealistic.

Dear Mr FM

I am looking to add a conservatory to my dream house. Please would you be so kind as to draw on your extensive experience of the building trade to provide an estimate as to cost and time. I was hoping it would be ready by Thursday.

Yours faithfully etc

 

[footymad13]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2004,22:12)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,21:56)]

Quote[/b] (Jávea Shrimper @ Sep. 14 2004,19:05)]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,14:20)]Great organization by RM there.

As opposed to your own reputation for experience and expertise in the stadium construction world ... ?!

WS

And you've never questioned anything about FF or the Club ? so it means you can do it better i take it ?

All im saying is its worrying and considering his in the trade himself he should know roughly the sort of timescale we are looking at and the one his saying does seem to be unrealistic.

Yes, Luke, but I've never pretended to know anything about stadium construction. In the past I've quoted timescales and budgets from data given to me by other more knowledgable parties. You seem rather flippant in writing off RM's "organization" (sic) yet, as far as I know, you don't have any expertise or experience in this profession (and neither do I before you embark on a crusade) and you are therefore in no position to criticise. You may have an interest in new stadia but that does not make you a construction specialist, not by a long chalk ...

Of course, we can ALL complain about the LACK of information on the Fossetts Farm saga. I've no doubt that RM does indeed KNOW the timescale but is keeping it very much close to his chest whilst developing the project **on paper** for application to the local council. And he has every right to do so. But our arguments fall well short of the target if we don't have a complete understanding of the subject matter in hand. That's all I'm saying ...

WS

Im not questioning the stadium designers, im questioning how its organized. The club should be getting the fans and town behind FF and stop giving out weak facts. And then theres the Info factor but to be fair this may be for a reason.

When i think of FF, the word **** up doesn't follow far behind.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 14 2004,22:43)]I'm not questioning the stadium designers, im questioning how its organized. The club should be getting the fans and town behind FF and stop giving out weak facts. And then theres the Info factor but to be fair this may be for a reason. When i think of FF, the word **** up doesn't follow far behind.

As far as I know - and I have been monitoring the situation whilst dipping my toes in the Med to cool down - SEL have not given out ANY facts, let alone "weak facts". Back in May, Ron Martin suggested that plans could be submitted during the summer. As we fast approach mid-September this looks increasingly unlikely.

But then what would YOU prefer, Luke? SEL to put forward uncertain development proposals just to satisfy your impatience ... OR ... to take their time and make sure they get it RIGHT. FF = ****-up?! I don't think so, not yet ... I feel SEL are ensuring that they are ready before revealing their intentions for FF to all and sundry.

WS

 

[The General]

I think we all knew, deep down, that the timescales set were "slightly hopeful" and that we can sense it wont be ready for at least another 3 seasons ...

Kev

 

[Guest]

I would rather wait a few seasons and a have a nice stadium than rush the project throught and end up with a jerry built eyesore.

Cheers.

 

[Groyne Strain]

Interesting to note, though, that one of the architects working on the B & Q development is of the opinion that the club would be better off staying at Roots Hall.

This, of course, will never happen, so perhaps Ron & Co. are looking into why this particular architect holds such a view before making any further public pronouncements?

 

[footymad13]

Well considering RM bought this club for RH and to build a new stadium, and hoped to get rid of the club by 2002 we are now nearing 2005 and we haven't even got planning permission.

So id say it was a **** up.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (footymad13 @ Sep. 15 2004,00:15)]Well considering RM bought this club for RH and to build a new stadium, and hoped to get rid of the club by 2002 we are now nearing 2005 and we haven't even got planning permission.

So id say it was a **** up.

If you haven't got anything constructive to say then why say anything at all.

Especially when you combine conjecture, hypothesis and childish ignorance and present it as stone cold fact.