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Global Warming - Your Points of View Discussed

Global Warming - Natural or Not


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If GW was really reversible then surely Governments around the globe would issue orders such as one car per family,no more than two children and so on.

The biggest polluters are China and the US...they have little intention of stopping because it would cost jobs,hocus pocus from our so called leaders.

It's not reversable, we've gone beyond that point. However we are able to limit the rise to 2 degrees which will still cause long term damage to humanity, probably those in the Third World. If the population of China (unlikely) and the US let their Government know that they perhaps should stop producing greenhouse gasses and embrace renewables then they may listen - sadly they won't.
 
If GW was really reversible then surely Governments around the globe would issue orders such as one car per family,no more than two children and so on.

The biggest polluters are China and the US...they have little intention of stopping because it would cost jobs,hocus pocus from our so called leaders.

Governments are short-termist and mostly elected. They aren't going to implement unpopular policies on an issue which isn't going to obviously affect them.

I think climate change is a bit like Southend's failure to get a new ground. Everyone can see things are OK now, so why worry about it? But it will kill us in the end.
 
Back in 2013 official figures stated there was 2,500 transatlantic flights in one day,these flights consumed FOUR HUNDRED MILLION LITRES OF FUEL!....ONE DAY.

Every day there are as many as EIGHTY THOUSAND FLIGHTS !

The fuel used just on planes is mind boggling,remember those lovely jet plumes remain up there for who knows for how long.

GW may be true,but we ain't stopping it,fact ,end of.
 
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Back in 2013 official figures stated there was 2,500 transatlantic flights in one day,these flights consumed FOUR HUNDRED MILLION LITRES OF FUEL!....ONE DAY.

Every day there are as many as EIGHTY THOUSAND FLIGHTS !

The fuel used just on planes is mind boggling,remember those lovely jet plumes remain up there for who knows for how long.

GW may be true,but we ain't stopping it,fact ,end of.

I presume you are referring to Contrails, Con being an abbreviation of condensation, they are made of water...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/boy-soccer-players-being-put-at-risk-1284592.html
 
If the UK stopped all emissions it would still only be 2% of the worlds pollution, yet we are taxed and taxed again ' to help reduce emissions' load of crap, a con and an excuse to tax us as much as possible!!
 
If the UK stopped all emissions it would still only be 2% of the worlds pollution, yet we are taxed and taxed again ' to help reduce emissions' load of crap, a con and an excuse to tax us as much as possible!!

Where are you "taxed and taxed again" to reduce emissions?
 
“households will be paying 41% more for their electricity bills as a result of green policies than the retail price is expected to be”

The impact of green measures is more considerable on business than for householders. Businesses that are medium-sized users of energy currently face energy (gas plus electricity) costs that are on average between 15% and 21% higher as a result of policies. By 2020 the impact is estimated to be between 23% and 26%.
Policies are estimated to be adding between 1% and 14% to energy bills for high-energy users in 2013 and between 6% and 37% in 2020.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24646527
 
“households will be paying 41% more for their electricity bills as a result of green policies than the retail price is expected to be”

The impact of green measures is more considerable on business than for householders. Businesses that are medium-sized users of energy currently face energy (gas plus electricity) costs that are on average between 15% and 21% higher as a result of policies. By 2020 the impact is estimated to be between 23% and 26%.
Policies are estimated to be adding between 1% and 14% to energy bills for high-energy users in 2013 and between 6% and 37% in 2020.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24646527

Technically that's not a tax, it's a levy on the renewable energy generated that is paid for by energy utilities who then pass it onto consumer bills. But I'm happy for it to be regarded as a tax as to all and sundry, that's what it looks like.

The thing is, that story's from 2013 and the understanding of green levies/taxes has matured somewhat. The government's industrial strategy documents earlier this week, when discussing high energy costs, stated that "The difference between UK industrial electricity prices and those of other European countries is now mainly due to our higher wholesale prices and network costs." (It's here if you want to read it for yourself. Page 91).

Energy bills and levies attached to them are more complicated than just sharing the cost of renewable subsidies though. For example the steel industry, which has complained about them for years, actually only has circa 2% of its overall production costs attributable to them (source: Carbon Brief). And even then, they have historically received compensation for those levies and will, subject to state aid, be completely exempt from them in the future under the energy intensive industries exemption. It's not just steel that receives this, but a host of others including the chemicals industries.

Those levies still have to be paid though, and it's consumers that foot the bill. In essence, half the time you're not paying just the levies on energy you consume, but also a portion of the energy that a large number of multinational conglomerates with massive balance sheets consume. I would argue that that cost is far more a political tax than a strictly renewables one due to the exemption being a political machination to support and entice big business but, again, I'm happy to let that slide.

What should really be made public knowledge however is something called the Merit Order Effect. It's essentially a ranking of electricity sources which takes into account the cost of production, running costs, subsidies and everything in between. The concept was originally borne out of Germany but has been adopted worldwide, and a study conducted by Good Energy and University of Sheffield last year found that widespread, subsidy-backed deployment of cheap renewables (onshore wind and solar) was reducing the overall wholesale cost of energy in the UK (source: here).

Basically, because onshore wind and solar have minute ongoing/operational costs (as yet the Tories haven't taxed the sun and the wind, but give them time) so over their operational lifetime the electricity they sell to the national grid comes at a competitive cost to that sold to the grid by other sources which have to pay for feedstock and what have you. As those renewable sources become more prevalent in the UK (renewable generation was about 25% of total demand in Q4 2016), the overall wholesale price falls as the grid is sourcing a greater proportion of its electricity more cheaply than before.

So, when the government says in its own industrial strategy that high UK electricity prices are largely down to wholesale prices, subsidy-backed deployment of renewables is actually helping them come down. Your domestic energy bill isn't too dissimilar - environmental levies will be around 20% of your bill, whereas wholesale energy prices are around one third.
 
This message, from the French Presidential candidate, was initially a call to climate change researcher's in the USA, disgruntled with Trump's move towards climate change denial. I'm wondering, following yesterday's negative approach to the subject in the budget, whether it could also be a call to UK workers in the field?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AHhc7DTIsg

I think Hammond would have had to have mentioned the subject at least once for you to conclude that his budget was 'negative' to climate change.

The government's announced nothing relating to its climate/carbon targets since ratifying the fifth carbon budget (Rudd's last act as energy secretary) last summer, and the emissions reduction plan is now three months late and counting. Hammond kicking a replacement for the Levy Control Framework until (at least) this autumn is only further damaging investor confidence in the energy infrastructure market.

This had best be one hell of an energy strategy when it's finally released. They've got an awful lot of reparation to do.
 
I think Hammond would have had to have mentioned the subject at least once for you to conclude that his budget was 'negative' to climate change.

The government's announced nothing relating to its climate/carbon targets since ratifying the fifth carbon budget (Rudd's last act as energy secretary) last summer, and the emissions reduction plan is now three months late and counting. Hammond kicking a replacement for the Levy Control Framework until (at least) this autumn is only further damaging investor confidence in the energy infrastructure market.

This had best be one hell of an energy strategy when it's finally released. They've got an awful lot of reparation to do.


Perhaps it was more what Hammond didn't say in the budget.............

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...increase-green-renewable-energy-a7618191.html
 
Perhaps it was more what Hammond didn't say in the budget.............

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...increase-green-renewable-energy-a7618191.html

Quite.

The rooftop solar business rates debacle is the quintessential government balls up created solely by a complete lack of inter-departmental communication. The discrepancy between state and private schools is the cherry on the top. Jenny Jones did some sterling work week before last in highlighting that the significant hike in rateable values will cost state schools at least an extra £2 million each year, meanwhile private schools and academies can do as they please. Then there's the political package of respite for pubs instead of schools or hospitals. A proper policy **** up.

There's a little bit of hope on the horizon, mind. I know some of the solar and renewables trade associations have been working behind the scenes on some possible legal angles to take.

I've also been working on something which'll be pretty damaging politically if it comes off, but the government have so far resisted my FOI requests so it's looking like a case for the ICO.
 
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