Prem loanees are killing us.

[mrsblue]

Woodrow came here and played in virtually every game zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Barnard returns and yes you guessed it he plays in every game and he under any circumstances does not deserve the pitch time he is getting.

Either Phil is bloody stupid or the loan deal is another play at any costs arrangement.Did Phil actually sign him or was someone above him thinking of bums on seats?.

The wheels have well and truly fallen off yet Phil plays the old guard every bloody time whilst ignoring the youth as in Williams and Payne,None of us know if these 2 can influence us to better results yet one thing is certain they cannot do any worse on what is on offer at the mo.

 

[Danshrimper]

Woodrow barely ever started? Why would Southampton demand that Barnard plays? he's not an up and coming star that they need to get game time i'm sure they couldn't care less if he played, the fact is that there are no other options. Tell me who you'd have started instead of Barnard?

 

[onceknownasrab]

Woodrow came here and played in virtually every game zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Barnard returns and yes you guessed it he plays in every game and he under any circumstances does not deserve the pitch time he is getting.

Either Phil is bloody stupid or the loan deal is another play at any costs arrangement.Did Phil actually sign him or was someone above him thinking of bums on seats?.

The wheels have well and truly fallen off yet Phil plays the old guard every bloody time whilst ignoring the youth as in Williams and Payne,None of us know if these 2 can influence us to better results yet one thing is certain they cannot do any worse on what is on offer at the mo.

If Woodrow had played in virtually every game he would still be here. Barnard is playing because thats what he was brought in to do but it has not worked as yet but its far too early to be overcritical of him.

I agree the youngsters could do no worse, even if for twenty minute roles at the moment but remember Payne has had 10 appearances thus far this season without a goal or an assist. Yes limited match time but when Freddy has limited time they say he is past it and yet Payne is lauded.

 

[mrsblue]

Woodrow barely ever started? Why would Southampton demand that Barnard plays? he's not an up and coming star that they need to get game time i'm sure they couldn't care less if he played, the fact is that there are no other options. Tell me who you'd have started instead of Barnard?

Southampton maybe still dreaming about getting a fee for Barney?Not from us but another higher club ?,I would of Started Williams with Payne just behind and even if this failed you can still bring on the old guard.Never said Woodrow started I said he played in virtually every game.

 

[Ricey]

So basically the reason for our bad form is Barnard and Woodrow? Bit extreme don't you think?

 

[onceknownasrab]

Southampton maybe still dreaming about getting a fee for Barney?Not from us but another higher club ?,I would of Started Williams with Payne just behind and even if this failed you can still bring on the old guard.Never said Woodrow started I said he played in virtually every game.

He started 10 games, came off the bench in another 11 and scored a total of 4 goals with 1 assist. You may not have liked Woodrow but his returns were no worse than the rest of the squad.

 

[Jam_Man]

Woodrow came here and played in virtually every game zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Barnard returns and yes you guessed it he plays in every game and he under any circumstances does not deserve the pitch time he is getting.

Either Phil is bloody stupid or the loan deal is another play at any costs arrangement.Did Phil actually sign him or was someone above him thinking of bums on seats?.

The wheels have well and truly fallen off yet Phil plays the old guard every bloody time whilst ignoring the youth as in Williams and Payne,None of us know if these 2 can influence us to better results yet one thing is certain they cannot do any worse on what is on offer at the mo.

Do you actually think about what you post?

Do you realise how ridiculous that statement actually is ?

Why would Southampton care if he plays or not ? He will be leaving in the summer, he will never go back to them so what would they care? They just want rid.

Being forced to play by Ron for Bums on seats? Hows that working out, are people flocking in to see Barnard play? Ron happy to throw away promotion as long as Barnard is on the pitch?

You say that none of us know if Williams and Payne will have an effect, well funnily enough there is one person able to make a better judgement than us, the guy who sees them every day.

Lets ignore the fact that the team as a whole are playing poorly and focus just on the strikers, because putting in a kid with no experience is so likely to turn around the performance of the other 10 players on his own.

Personally Id like to see Payne given a go, but Williams ? Just playing someone different doesnt mean he is going to be better.

So basically the reason for our bad form is Barnard and Woodrow? Bit extreme don't you think?

Yeah the rest of the team are awesome arent they, we are dominating games and the strikers are missing hatfuls.

Fact is last night we conceded two goals, you cant expect to get 3 points if you have to score 3 every game.

What some obviously want is a striker capable of carrying a mediocre side and win games on their own. Easier than trying to analyse what is wrong with the team I suppose...

 

[mrsblue]

He started 10 games, came off the bench in another 11 and scored a total of 4 goals with 1 assist. You may not have liked Woodrow but his returns were no worse than the rest of the squad.

Clearly that amount of pitch time was not good enough for Fulham with even Phil expressing dismay at the bloke being recalled and now we have Barney who waltzes straight into the team without any justification and now seems the first on the team sheet.

 

[mrsblue]

JM,

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,You offer very little I am afraid.

 

[Jam_Man]

JM,

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,You offer very little I am afraid.

From the person who just blames the strikers for every poor result.....

 

[onceknownasrab]

JM,

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,You offer very little I am afraid.

Its just opinions mrsblue. The fact remains Woodrow left on the 30th of January when we were relatively flying. In fact we have not won a single game since he left. The issues surrounding Southends poor form and position have absolutely nothing to do with Woodrow.

 

[mrsblue]

From the person who just blames the strikers for every poor result.....

Football is a very simple game with the main task being put the round thing into the 24x8 target known as a goal.Last 15 league game 80% of games finish with us scoring 1 goal or nothing and even when we scored 2 by a defender we still lost.

Any manager worth his salt will know the above and do something about it yet Phil plays the same old tired blokes every time and then he dips into the loan market for Barney who over the last 2 years has done very little,It's crazy and makes little sense because Barnards recent record suggests he won't score many and by magic so far has not scored Any.

 

[onceknownasrab]

From the person who just blames the strikers for every poor result.....

Well, not taking sides but the strikers do have their share of responsibility to shoulder. The return from the 'striker', whomever has played, has been abysmal. Even when the team were seemingly flying the strikers contributed very little in terms of goals and the onus was placed with the mids. We were never going to go the season without finding at least one guy who can chip in a strikers tally of goals from the front and have any expectation of a top three spot.

 

[Jam_Man]

Football is a very simple game with the main task being put the round thing into the 24x8 target known as a goal.Last 15 league game 80% of games finish with us scoring 1 goal or nothing and even when we scored 2 by a defender we still lost.

Any manager worth his salt will know the above and do something about it yet Phil plays the same old tired blokes every time and then he dips into the loan market for Barney who over the last 2 years has done very little,It's crazy and makes little sense because Barnards recent record suggests he won't score many and by magic so far has not scored Any.

Well if we conceded 3 its not the strikers at fault then is it!

You say football is a simple game, but it isnt. There are lots of factors to a game and if you just blame every poor result on one player then you are oversimplifying it.

Well, not taking sides but the strikers do have their share of responsibility to shoulder. The return from the 'striker', whomever has played, has been abysmal. Even when the team were seemingly flying the strikers contributed very little in terms of goals and the onus was placed with the mids. We were never going to go the season without finding at least one guy who can chip in a strikers tally of goals from the front and have any expectation of a top three spot.

Yes they do, all players need to perform and at the moment none are.

MrsBlue seems to think its 100% the strikers though. Are the defence doing their job ? Are the midfield protecting the defence? Are the midfield supporting the strikers ? All these are factors, yet its so much easier to pick out a single player and say its all down to them eh...

You might as well blame every game we lose on Bentley, footballs a simple game right, just need to keep the ball out of the net.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Possibly funniest thread of 2014 so far.

Think I'm going to have to start a silly one too

 

[onceknownasrab]

Yes they do, all players need to perform and at the moment none are.

MrsBlue seems to think its 100% the strikers though. Are the defence doing their job ? Are the midfield protecting the defence? Are the midfield supporting the strikers ? All these are factors, yet its so much easier to pick out a single player and say its all down to them eh...

You might as well blame every game we lose on Bentley, footballs a simple game right, just need to keep the ball out of the net.

Of course the whole team needs to held accountable, but this season we have had cause to applaud Bentley in many games, the defence had been doing a sterling job before injuries et al and the midfield were producing the goods. The strikers are getting more flack because at no point in this season have they done enough.

Some point to the supply or lack of, well that has not been the case for much of this season and when they have had the ball how often has it been wasted rather held or passed on?

Like it or not, the strikers have not been good enough. The team as a whole are not firing right now but the strikers have not done so all season.

 

[mrsblue]

JM,

I have played for a couple of struggling teams where the forwards could not put it in the net,As games roll by the majority of players in those teams knew if we conceded we were then unlikely to get anything from that game simply we knew the midfield and defence won't out score the other team,When you see chances being missed it becomes soul destroying and heads drop.

Currently we are in a bad run and are in danger of slipping down the table so Phil has to try everything to halt the slide and so far I am unconvinced if he is capable of changing it or his hands are tied .

 

[Jam_Man]

Of course the whole team needs to held accountable, but this season we have had cause to applaud Bentley in many games, the defence had been doing a sterling job before injuries et al and the midfield were producing the goods. The strikers are getting more flack because at no point in this season have they done enough.

Some point to the supply or lack of, well that has not been the case for much of this season and when they have had the ball how often has it been wasted rather held or passed on?

Like it or not, the strikers have not been good enough. The team as a whole are not firing right now but the strikers have not done so all season.

We have been playing a 4-5-1/4-3-3 system with Hurst almost as a striker, he is one of the top scorers in the league.

Corr is playing as a loan striker for most of it with his back to goal. Should he score more? Yes of course and he admits that, but he also has a good amount of assists.

Im sure switching to 2 up front is a measure Brown has taken to give the strikers more of a chance to score, however the team just isnt performing and we are now expecting strikers to win games we dont deserve to.

 

[mrsblue]

We have been playing a 4-5-1/4-3-3 system with Hurst almost as a striker, he is one of the top scorers in the league.

Corr is playing as a loan striker for most of it with his back to goal. Should he score more? Yes of course and he admits that, but he also has a good amount of assists.

Im sure switching to 2 up front is a measure Brown has taken to give the strikers more of a chance to score, however the team just isnt performing and we are now expecting strikers to win games we dont deserve to.

You cannot play 2 up top who cannot run by even an invalid defender it won't work ,Opposing defenders are having an easy life as they know our forwards jump into their pockets and are marked from the game because they are unable to run at any decent speed to outpace any defender.

 

[Jam_Man]

JM,

I have played for a couple of struggling teams where the forwards could not put it in the net,As games roll by the majority of players in those teams knew if we conceded we were then unlikely to get anything from that game simply we knew the midfield and defence won't out score the other team,When you see chances being missed it becomes soul destroying and heads drop.

Currently we are in a bad run and are in danger of slipping down the table so Phil has to try everything to halt the slide and so far I am unconvinced if he is capable of changing it or his hands are tied .

Thing is its not like we are playing well and missing chances, everything throughout the side looks wrong. No creativity, no self confidence or self belief.

Totally agree with your last sentence, Im not convinced he is able to turn it around at the moment. If it was simply the strikers at fault it would actually be a straightforward fix (well straightforward if you could find a better alternative) but the problem seems much more ingrained than that.

When it comes to form its very difficult to turn a poor run around because even if you do have the right players you just get in the losing habit.

Personally I think we need to get a defender asap in to sort out that situation, bring Hurst back in and to give Payne a start as his energy could give a deflated side a lift.

You cannot play 2 up top who cannot run by even an invalid defender it won't work ,Opposing defenders are having an easy life as they know our forwards jump into their pockets and are marked from the game because they are unable to run at any decent speed to outpace any defender.

Personally think you can, we went up with Eastwood and Goater up front, Eastwood was no slouch but didnt rely on pace, he would rather stay deep, and Goater wasnt exactly quick. I f you have pace on the wings and look to play from out wide rather than balls over the top you can do without pace, although obviously its nice to have option if available.

However that said Id much rather a front three of Payne/Corr/Hurst at moment.