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RIP Maggie Thatcher.

Should there be a day-off work to mark this?


  • Total voters
    71
  • Poll closed .
As you say they werent even born, and whats it matter, she cant see the protest.

No, but it can't be nice for her family. They'll realise that MT was a real "marmite" character, but even so, a funeral should be a time for respect. There's plenty of time after (or before her death) for protesting about her legacy, why do these people feel the need to make a show of hate at this particular time? I do wonder if we, as a society, are so forced to respect all others, and not cause offence that when the opportunity arises for some baiting of a personality who was disliked by a large number of people (including some sections of the media) we tend to "let off steam" a bit too much?

Incidentally, I'm not criticising within this post people who are protesting at the size/cost of the funeral. For that, this is the right time (as was before the event) though that should be a completely separate issue to any dislike for Thatcher.
 
As you say they werent even born, and whats it matter, she cant see the protest.

I lived through her terms and I suffered the stupidity of the poll tax yet I wouldnt protest. Then again miners and those communities will feel a lot different Im sure.

Why was the poll tax stupid?
 
As you say they werent even born, and whats it matter, she cant see the protest.

I lived through her terms and I suffered the stupidity of the poll tax yet I wouldnt protest. Then again miners and those communities will feel a lot different Im sure.
They have no class or manners. A good advert for the left.
 
Why was the poll tax stupid?

Not my words, but lifted from Skynews.

By Anonymous Poll Tax Protester

"Why should a Duke pay more than a dustman?"
With that simple question, Margaret Thatcher's henchman Nicholas Ridley summed up the Tory attitude towards ordinary working people as they introduced the hated Poll Tax.

As a replacement for the old council rates system, the Poll ("head") Tax meant that individual financial circumstances would not be taken into account - people would pay the same as everyone else in the area.

The unjustness of this system was exacerbated by the fact that the poorest, inner-city boroughs needed a lot more council services than those in the comfortable shires, so ordinary people in those boroughs were expected to pay many hundreds more per head than far richer people.

In an added act of vindictiveness, Thatcher introduced the Poll Tax a year earlier in Scotland, an area where the Tories were much more unpopular.

However, they miscalculated as the Anti-Poll Tax Federation was set up, organising demonstrations and support for those who couldn't pay and providing an example to the rest of the UK on how to fight back.

As the tax hit England and Wales in 1990, Anti-Poll Tax Unions sprang up, with thousands of volunteers supporting a non-payment campaign, recognising that it wasn't a choice whether to pay or not, but that many people could not afford the tax and had to be supported rather than isolated and left to the courts, the bailiffs and possible imprisonment.

Despite this mass campaign, to their shame, the Labour Party leaders declared that, while it was OK to express disagreement, nobody should refuse to pay the tax as they should not break the law, leaving the way open for Labour councils, as well as Tory and Liberal, to set high Poll Tax rates and threaten their populations with penalties.

However, the campaign wasn't to be cowed and, on the morning of 31 March 1990, the organisers watched with trepidation to see if the national anti-Poll Tax demo in London would be a success.

We needn't have worried - thousands upon thousands poured off coaches and trains towards Kennington Park and the overflow park behind it, with an estimated minimum of 250,000 demonstrating on the day, many not having left the park before the front of the demo reached Trafalgar Square.

The Tories, with the aid of the media, attempted to demonise and criminalise the campaign after the riots that ended the demo, but they didn't count upon the fact that many marchers were even "traditional" Tory supporters from areas that had never demonstrated in their lives and they witnessed the coordinated attacks by mounted riot police on sections of the march.

The non-payment campaign flourished, with 34 Anti-Poll Tax Unions in Hackney alone. Registration numbers and descriptions of bailiffs' vans were circulated amongst hundreds of activists so that, whenever the bailiffs arrived, the threatened non-payees were quickly supported and the bailiffs were run out of town.

As many as 2,000 people at a time were summonsed to courts around the country and the campaign encouraged them to attend causing the court system itself to be completely unable to cope with the overwhelming tide of people arriving.

In the end, 15 million people nationally were refusing to pay Thatcher's hated tax and, in those circumstances, it was clear that it would have to be repealed.

Many of the Tories currently eulogising Thatcher were among the MPs who queued up to tell her to resign when her leadership was challenged, because they realised that the Poll Tax would only go if she did and their very careers were on the line if not.

That is why many millions of people are not mourning Thatcher or listening to the calls for compassion and respect because the Poll Tax proved that she had absolutely no compassion or respect for us.
 
No you are right it was a great idea. No one minded at the time. :nope:

I wasnt a home owner yet was suddenly expected to pay tax for my parents house. It was absurd and rightly got binned.

There are 4 adults living in my house. How is it fair that the two adults living next door pay the same per year as me?
 
Not my words, but lifted from Skynews.

By Anonymous Poll Tax Protester

"Why should a Duke pay more than a dustman?"
With that simple question, Margaret Thatcher's henchman Nicholas Ridley summed up the Tory attitude towards ordinary working people as they introduced the hated Poll Tax.

As a replacement for the old council rates system, the Poll ("head") Tax meant that individual financial circumstances would not be taken into account - people would pay the same as everyone else in the area.

The unjustness of this system was exacerbated by the fact that the poorest, inner-city boroughs needed a lot more council services than those in the comfortable shires, so ordinary people in those boroughs were expected to pay many hundreds more per head than far richer people.

In an added act of vindictiveness, Thatcher introduced the Poll Tax a year earlier in Scotland, an area where the Tories were much more unpopular.

However, they miscalculated as the Anti-Poll Tax Federation was set up, organising demonstrations and support for those who couldn't pay and providing an example to the rest of the UK on how to fight back.

As the tax hit England and Wales in 1990, Anti-Poll Tax Unions sprang up, with thousands of volunteers supporting a non-payment campaign, recognising that it wasn't a choice whether to pay or not, but that many people could not afford the tax and had to be supported rather than isolated and left to the courts, the bailiffs and possible imprisonment.

Despite this mass campaign, to their shame, the Labour Party leaders declared that, while it was OK to express disagreement, nobody should refuse to pay the tax as they should not break the law, leaving the way open for Labour councils, as well as Tory and Liberal, to set high Poll Tax rates and threaten their populations with penalties.

However, the campaign wasn't to be cowed and, on the morning of 31 March 1990, the organisers watched with trepidation to see if the national anti-Poll Tax demo in London would be a success.

We needn't have worried - thousands upon thousands poured off coaches and trains towards Kennington Park and the overflow park behind it, with an estimated minimum of 250,000 demonstrating on the day, many not having left the park before the front of the demo reached Trafalgar Square.

The Tories, with the aid of the media, attempted to demonise and criminalise the campaign after the riots that ended the demo, but they didn't count upon the fact that many marchers were even "traditional" Tory supporters from areas that had never demonstrated in their lives and they witnessed the coordinated attacks by mounted riot police on sections of the march.

The non-payment campaign flourished, with 34 Anti-Poll Tax Unions in Hackney alone. Registration numbers and descriptions of bailiffs' vans were circulated amongst hundreds of activists so that, whenever the bailiffs arrived, the threatened non-payees were quickly supported and the bailiffs were run out of town.

As many as 2,000 people at a time were summonsed to courts around the country and the campaign encouraged them to attend causing the court system itself to be completely unable to cope with the overwhelming tide of people arriving.

In the end, 15 million people nationally were refusing to pay Thatcher's hated tax and, in those circumstances, it was clear that it would have to be repealed.

Many of the Tories currently eulogising Thatcher were among the MPs who queued up to tell her to resign when her leadership was challenged, because they realised that the Poll Tax would only go if she did and their very careers were on the line if not.

That is why many millions of people are not mourning Thatcher or listening to the calls for compassion and respect because the Poll Tax proved that she had absolutely no compassion or respect for us.
And still the Tories were re-elected in 1992. Shows you just how unpopular and unelectable the Labour party were until Tony Bliar came along...
 
There are 4 adults living in my house. How is it fair that the two adults living next door pay the same per year as me?

Because you and those folks (I imagine) have the same size properties. How is it fair that you with 4 people in one home would pay the more than a millionaire in a mansion on his own? It's not, and even Thatcher's cabinet knew what a folly the Poll Tax was and kicked her out, probably the same that were mourning her passing today.
 
Because you and those folks (I imagine) have the same size properties. How is it fair that you with 4 people in one home would pay the more than a millionaire in a mansion on his own? It's not, and even Thatcher's cabinet knew what a folly the Poll Tax was and kicked her out, probably the same that were mourning her passing today.

I was thinking more of the local services used by the residents. more use of libraries, parks, street lighting, roads, more refuse, all those things.
 
The poll tax was completely fair, it was deemed to be 'outrageous' because our friends in the media think that some form of wealth redistribution (ie communism) is fair and don't believe that a man's quality of life should be connected to his talents and work ethic.
 
The poll tax was completely fair, it was deemed to be 'outrageous' because our friends in the media think that some form of wealth redistribution (ie communism) is fair and don't believe that a man's quality of life should be connected to his talents and work ethic.

Quality of life is sadly not only connected to hard work or talent it is often gifted by privilege of birth, just take a look at the House of Commons or Lords, the upper echelons of Government Offices or high ranking positions in commerce. The poll tax protected the status quo and ensured the wealthiest paid the least. Fair it wasn't.
 
Quality of life is sadly not only connected to hard work or talent it is often gifted by privilege of birth, just take a look at the House of Commons or Lords, the upper echelons of Government Offices or high ranking positions in commerce. The poll tax protected the status quo and ensured the wealthiest paid the least. Fair it wasn't.

I was born into a humble working class family, and raised in a council house in Eastwood. Now, I'm filthy rich. How did that happen?
 
The poll tax was completely fair, it was deemed to be 'outrageous' because our friends in the media think that some form of wealth redistribution (ie communism) is fair and don't believe that a man's quality of life should be connected to his talents and work ethic.

Christ, not even hardened Tories thought it was a good idea, so does that make them "commies"?
 
The amount of ignorance about the poll tax was stunning.A middle class accountant I know actually asked me if his casting a postal vote for me would lead to him having to pay additional poll tax.:stunned:
 
'After the Left lost the economic argument, following Thatcher’s third general election victory, they realised there was no future in brute force collective industrial action. So they embraced the notion of individual ‘rights’ as a way of furthering their agenda.

Labour decided it could no longer rely on white, working-class trades unionists to secure power. So it set about building what by then had become known as a ‘rainbow coalition’ based on the notion of victimhood. Rather than ‘society’ the Left fastened on to ‘community’ as their buzzword. This didn’t mean community in its traditional sense, it meant ‘minority’. It involved carving up society into myriad client groups and stoking their grievances, real or perceived, which could only be assuaged by new laws and lashings of taxpayers’ money.'
 

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