RIP Maggie Thatcher.

[Rusty Shackleford]

You seem to have missed the significance of the "only" in my remark and focused on the "making money" bit instead.

Symptomatic, I suppose,of what is to be expected of one of Thatcher's children.

If you say so, but I'm clearly better educated than you.

 

[pickledseal]

Not sure if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but it seems only thing different about state and military funeral is that Maggie won't get pulled by sailors... http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/04/economist-explains-1

Every day is a school day!

 

[Swiss Tony]

And the right only care about making money,right? :whistling:

Makes the world go round BB.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

If you say so, but I'm clearly better educated than you.

Rusty,
We've been through this before.:zzzzz:
(However,I'm quite happy to compare my educational qualifications with yours, anytime you'd care to do so).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Makes the world go round BB.

Swiss,
(Just for the record),I've no objection to anyone, (myself included) making money.It's how you do so and how much you make that seem important to me.

 

[steveo]

Swiss,
(Just for the record),I've no objection to anyone, (myself included) making money.It's how you do so and how much you make that seem important to me.

So if you make more than you deem to be an acceptable amount you presumably give the rest away then?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So if you make more than you deem to be an acceptable amount you presumably give the rest away then?

Ha! My wife gives money to charity.Not me.

Talking about the "loadsamoney" culture, this is an interesting article on Thatcher's Basildon,past and present.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/09/basildon-fondness-iron-lady-aspiration

 

[steveo]

Nice Barna, a link from the Guardian.

Do you find it somewhat ironic, that the Unemployed Carer, whilst sipping his pint in the Towngate Theatre, says ""Mind you, you don't see many people in the pubs at all nowadays. No one can afford it."

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Nice Barna, a link from the Guardian.

Do you find it somewhat ironic, that the Unemployed Carer, whilst sipping his pint in the Towngate Theatre, says ""Mind you, you don't see many people in the pubs at all nowadays. No one can afford it."

I always liked a pint or two at the Towngate Theatre bar myself.(I noticed all the pubs around Baker Street were rammed on Sunday).

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

*sigh*

I know that you aren't interested; politics is like football where tribal loyalties are all that count, but it is worth considering for just a moment the notion that the policies of 20 years ago were responsible for the banking crisis.

Big Bang was about modernising financial services in the UK, particularly the stock exchange. Yes, a lot of the regulation was removed but that which remained was put on a statutory footing for the first time and the Bank of England was responsible for it.

The 2008 banking crisis was a result of leveraging that was politically motivated from 2001 onwards (which began in the US and extended globally). The UK position was aggrevated by three factors: the utter incompetence of the box-ticking FSA as the regulator, the persistent reduction of competition through endless mergers and acquisitions and Dr Brown's mad fiscal policy whereby he turned the spending taps on in 2001 (increasing public spending by 40% in real terms in 7 years) on the false assumption that he had ended the economic cycle (boom and bust).

Blaming Big Bang for the 2008 crisis is akin to blaming George III for the current gun control laws in the US.

We can agree on the point about tribal loyalties and in politics nothing can can bring out peoples venom more, than a total conviction polititian, as Mrs Thatcher was. Those who loved her were almost totally blind to the bad things she did and those that hated her were almost totally blind to any good that she may have achieved.
Wasn't the incompetent FSA, or its predecessor, set up during Thatcher's reign? I'm not talking about specifics such as the big bang, I'm talking about the mood created by Thatcher and Reagan where unfettered capitalism was encouraged, dog eat dog, get rich quick, make to the top of the pile and don't give a damn about who get's left in the wake.......they have the freedom to take care of themselves. It was in this ambiance that many banks adopted the attitude of SOD the RISK.........LOVE the PROFIT...........and the greater the risk, the greater the profit................until.
Maybe it would be interesting to consider where Britain would be now if we hadn't had her as prime minister, perhaps many of the changes that she brought about would have been achieved without the violent confrontations? Were the changes she brought about worth the price of the schisms she created in British society?

 

[steveo]

I always liked a pint or two at the Towngate Theatre bar myself.(I noticed all the pubs around Baker Street were rammed on Sunday).

Barna misses the point again. No change there then.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Be interesting if they try a minutes silence this weekend at matches, especially in the north of the country. :stunned:

 

[OldBlueLady]

I'm talking about the mood created by Thatcher and Reagan where unfettered capitalism was encouraged, dog eat dog, get rich quick, make to the top of the pile and don't give a damn about who get's left in the wake.......they have the freedom to take care of themselves.

Just an aside on this theme, during the whole of the 80s and into the early 90s, I was part of a charity group for young people aged 15-28. We raised absolutely stacks of money for charity, did "good works" in our local areas, and drove about all over the country meeting up with friends in other clubs, partying most weekends anywhere from Hastings to Bolton, Swansea to Lowestoft, Cork to Coleraine.

At its peak in 1988, we had 30 clubs in our district of East Anglia (Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire) with about 400 members. There were 12 other districts in the UK, totalling in excess of 250 clubs all raising money and doing good works.

Now, there's barely a handful of clubs in the whole country. That whole ethos that we had of having fun, while raising money and doing charitable deeds (like decorating for a woman rehomed after being in a battered wives' refuge) soon disappeared in the years after Thatcher.

I'm just illustrating that it wasn't all dog eat dog back then, but people partied hard and spent their money, having fun while doing so. Certainly that was my experience. Maybe we were typical "Thatcher's children", I don't know.

 

[C C Csiders]

Be interesting if they try a minutes silence this weekend at matches, especially in the north of the country. :stunned:

Unbelievable that the likes of Whelan and Madejski want a minutes silence at football matches for someone that so detested football. Look at her stance on membership cards, wishing England to be withdrawn from playing in tournaments because of hooliganism, the pressure brought tp bear on the Englash, Scottish and Irish FAs to withdraw from the 1982 World Cup because of the Falklands etc.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Just an aside on this theme, during the whole of the 80s and into the early 90s, I was part of a charity group for young people aged 15-28. We raised absolutely stacks of money for charity, did "good works" in our local areas, and drove about all over the country meeting up with friends in other clubs, partying most weekends anywhere from Hastings to Bolton, Swansea to Lowestoft, Cork to Coleraine.

At its peak in 1988, we had 30 clubs in our district of East Anglia (Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire) with about 400 members. There were 12 other districts in the UK, totalling in excess of 250 clubs all raising money and doing good works.

Now, there's barely a handful of clubs in the whole country. That whole ethos that we had of having fun, while raising money and doing charitable deeds (like decorating for a woman rehomed after being in a battered wives' refuge) soon disappeared in the years after Thatcher.

I'm just illustrating that it wasn't all dog eat dog back then, but people partied hard and spent their money, having fun while doing so. Certainly that was my experience. Maybe we were typical "Thatcher's children", I don't know.

It seems to me that you're just illustrating the validity of Yogi's comments.

 

[OldBlueLady]

It seems to me that you're just illustrating the validity of Yogi's comments.

How so? I've said my experience wasn't dog eat dog, that we DID think and care about others.

 

[Pubey]

Unbelievable that the likes of Whelan and Madejski want a minutes silence at football matches for someone that so detested football. Look at her stance on membership cards, wishing England to be withdrawn from playing in tournaments because of hooliganism, the pressure brought tp bear on the Englash, Scottish and Irish FAs to withdraw from the 1982 World Cup because of the Falklands etc.

Hillsborough.

 

[superblue24]

Swiss,
(Just for the record),I've no objection to anyone, (myself included) making money.It's how you do so and how much you make that seem important to me.

Umm, why?

How much motivation do you think the country would have if everyone was paid a flat wage? It is the "dream jobs" that keep people hungry to better themselves and stay ambitious.....And those who are successful should IMO be rewarded with the kind of salary that reflects their hard work and ambition......Is it not enough that those who have worked hard are penalized to the tune of 40% by the government, and have to effectively hand over half the differential in their wages?

I want the best in life for the wife and kids and I'll move mountains to keep myself moving up the ladder to provide the best.....The downside of this is that I hardly see my little girl as I work too late, but this is one of the many costs of earning a moderately high salary....

Problem is that you assume that everyone who earns above the national average is sitting at home setting fire to twenty pound notes to light their cuban cigars.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I always liked a pint or two at the Towngate Theatre bar myself.(I noticed all the pubs around Baker Street were rammed on Sunday).

Barna misses the point again. No change there then.

Try decoding the obvious irony in my reply.Meanwhile here's a song for you.Ironically enough, it's not ironic at all.

[video=youtube_share;Jne9t8sHpUc]http://youtu.be/Jne9t8sHpUc[/video]

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

How so? I've said my experience wasn't dog eat dog, that we DID think and care about others.

You also said:-

Now, there's barely a handful of clubs in the whole country. That whole ethos that we had of having fun, while raising money and doing charitable deeds (like decorating for a woman rehomed after being in a battered wives' refuge) soon disappeared in the years after Thatcher