Should private schools be abolished?

[Berrichonne shrimper]

You're quite right to point out that religous private education (especially in R/C schools) is much cheaper in France than the UK, (also than in Spain,actually).

We're currently putting our younger daughter (aged 20) through her University education in France, where tuition fees are also much cheaper than in the UK, (fortunately we're not having to starve to do it,either). :smile:

Incidentally,my wife (like yours) is also a Socialist, (I'm proud to say).

I did not mention religious schools but I have mentioned that working on the black is illegal and did you know that the. Employer gets fined twice as much as the employee,facts right get them.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Who the flying **** are you or anyone else to tell me how I should choose to educate my children? Apart from the law that say's they must have one of course.

If I can afford to send my kids (if indeed I had any, which I don't) to a private school what the hell gives you or anyone else the right to deny me that option?

Your utopian socialist ideal world that you so falornly and sadly cling on to is a fantasy, pure and simple, and the sooner you wake up to that fact and stop wishing it wasn't the better for everyone here at the Zone.

As that nice Mr Cameron said :- "Calm down, dear."

You write as though I actually had the executive power to abolish private schools.Unfortunately I don't.

FYI, Marx was highly critical of what he called "Utopian socialism." I certainly don't think I qualify as being guilty of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopian_socialism

Incidentally,I still haven't had a plausible reason from you (or anyone else on this thread) as to why the state shouldn't abolish the charitable status that private schools enjoy.

Let the rich pay the full, unsubsidised whack for their children's private education and see how much they howl.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I did not mention religious schools but I have mentioned that working on the black is illegal and did you know that the. Employer gets fined twice as much as the employee,facts right get them.

You didn't but I did.That's a fact.:raspberry:

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

You didn't but I did.That's a fact.:raspberry:

Duck dodge and dive,you would be a master at dodgeball even at your age.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

So are you saying there is no state school in the entire country that is worth attending? I would have to disagree with that.

I believe the Grammar Schools are still probably worth attending, though only just. As for the rest, I refer my honourable friend to my earlier statement.

 

[South Bank Hank]

Incidentally,I still haven't had a plausible reason from you (or anyone else on this thread) as to why the state shouldn't abolish the charitable status that private schools enjoy.

Let the rich pay the full, unsubsidised whack for their children's private education and see how much they howl..

Arguably because it's a minor issue against the main point of your thread that you're so far failing miserably to advocate. If it was for the public good (ie: reducing strain on non-private education), we should support it. If it's primarily a tax device, we should no doubt axe it.

But why should 'richer parents' (and those prepared to make specific sacrifices of this kind) howl if it was abolished? It's a choice for them now and it'd be a choice without charitable status that I suspect many would continue to take. However you look at it, 'richer parents' putting their kids through private schooling are actively supporting education in this country directly through taxation at source and by reducing the strain on non-private education.

The ne'er-do-wells and those intent on pulling everyone else ever down are the ones most likely to continue to howl - as you are seemingly proving.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Just as a point, I know of several families where the parents have worked themselves to the bone so their kids could benefit from private education. There are several cultures where the importance of a good education over-rides so much else. Would you deny them that?

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

And there are plenty of left wing MPs who would disagree with getting rid of private education too!!!

Diane Abbott anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bott-sent-son-6-000-private-school-Ghana.html

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Diane Abbott anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bott-sent-son-6-000-private-school-Ghana.html

This article is now two years old.

The son in question is now studying at Cambridge.

DA has said that if a new state school in Hackney had been open earlier she would have sent her son there.

 

[callan]

This article is now two years old.

DA has said that if a new state school in Hackney had been open earlier she would have sent her son there.

Didn't near on half of the current present shadow cabinet attend Private Schools...

I have come to expect nothing less than hypocrisy from Labour.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100058028/just-how-diverse-is-the-shadow-cabinet/

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Just as a point, I know of several families where the parents have worked themselves to the bone so their kids could benefit from private education. There are several cultures where the importance of a good education over-rides so much else. Would you deny them that?

Yes.Sorry.There's a principle involved.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Didn't near on half of the current present shadow cabinet attend Private Schools...

I have come to expect nothing less than hypocrisy from Labour.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100058028/just-how-diverse-is-the-shadow-cabinet/

At least the majority of Labour's shadow cabinet (unlike their Tory counterparts)are not Old Etonians and/or millionaires.

 

[callan]

At least the majority of Labour's shadow cabinet (unlike their Tory counterparts)are not Old Etonians and/or millionaires.

You keep setting em up fella....

http://order-order.com/2013/09/19/a...liband-millionaires-around-the-labour-leader/

And I'll knock em down!

 

[South Bank Hank]

At least the majority of Labour's shadow cabinet (unlike their Tory counterparts)are not Old Etonians and/or millionaires.

And your problem with someone being a millionaire is?

 

[MK Shrimper]

And your problem with someone being a millionaire is?

They haven't sunk their millions into Southend United. :smile:

 

[steveo]

At least the majority of Labour's shadow cabinet (unlike their Tory counterparts)are not Old Etonians and/or millionaires.

Millionaires like Tony Benn was?

 

[RHB]

The United Kingdom has a Capitalist economy at it's core, it always has done, regardless of which party is in power. Capitalism thrives in the UK and unless we, as a nation, have a fundamental change of views then private education will exist here as there are those who wish to make a profit, and others who wish to spend their money educating their children privately. I am a supporter of democracy as it is practised in this county and therefore, a bit like Voltaire (loosely), I have to defend the right of people to have private education.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Yes.Sorry.There's a principle involved.

I'm sure all those who have sacrificed so much for their kids' education will be delighted you feel like that. I have to say I disagree with you totally on this.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

They haven't sunk their millions into Southend United. :smile:

Right you are. :thumbsup:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Didn't near on half of the current present shadow cabinet attend Private Schools...

I have come to expect nothing less than hypocrisy from Labour.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100058028/just-how-diverse-is-the-shadow-cabinet/

that would be down to their parents not them, if they choose to send their kids to private schools feel to criticise - so Diane Abbott is fair game.

the only real advantage to private education as far as I can tell is class sizes - and that is a massive advantage and goes against equality of opportunity. There should be no charitable status for private schools and no state subsidies when it just means a minority get far more of the teachers time. Gove goes on about bringing state education up to the standards of private education - reduce our class sizes then you tool.