Syria air strikes

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34950778

Think this topic now deserves its own dedicated thread.

Always been impressed by Mark Rylance -either on the stage or in front of the cameras.

Good video here on which countries are actually bombing in Syria already.Must be getting fairly crowded in Syrian air space.

(PS Can a mod.correct the spelling of air in the title please)?

Edit.Thanks!

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

The number of over flights may be high but the actual number of strikes is much, much lower than that and sometimes single figured in strikes.
AND as an example of a full air offensive there were often over 90 PER DAY in 1999 on Kosovo/Serbia and that did force the Serbs to withdraw from Kosovo and allow the UNMIK ground forces under General Jackson to move, unopposed from Macedonia.
In my view the current US/UK/French & Co efforts is very limited, and the cynic might say it is designed to prolong the conflict for long term weakening of all sides party to the ground war and assist intel gathering by having it as a central gathering focus for radicals.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The number of over flights may be high but the actual number of strikes is much, much lower than that and sometimes single figured in strikes.
AND as an example of a full air offensive there were often over 90 PER DAY in 1999 on Kosovo/Serbia and that did force the Serbs to withdraw from Kosovo and allow the UNMIK ground forces under General Jackson to move, unopposed from Macedonia.
In my view the current US/UK/French & Co efforts is very limited, and the cynic might say it is designed to prolong the conflict for long term weakening of all sides party to the ground war and assist intel gathering by having it as a central gathering focus for radicals.

Here's what the people of Raqqua think about the bombing of their city.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/29/raqqa-exiles-bashar-al-assad-isis-bombing

 

[Pubey]

 

[mrsblue]

World leaders gather to save the planet from a rising climate.

World leaders bomb the crap out of the ME.

Hmmmmm.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34973637

I see the headlong "rush to war" continues apace.

I would appear that some people have learnt nothing from the failed invasions of IQaq and Libya.

I trust the 50 or so Labour MP's expected to vote for war tomorrow will get a hot reception from their CLP's.

 

[londonblue]

Looks like Germany are all in favour:

BBC

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I am sure that the air strikes will get the go ahead; however will it be worded as only on ISIS targets or include support strikes against Assad's forces too?
The hardest guess is when ground operations will be officially sanctioned: beyond the speculated, current Special Forces and Training umbrella/cover.

 

[Bearded Shrimper]

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...n-against-isil-syria-outweighs-case-inaction-

i think Dan Jarvis seems to know what he's talking about and doesn't strike we as a war-monger

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.

He was right.

 

[rigsby]

Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.

He was right.

Shame the Labour party and its stubbornly blind supporters don't take note. You might have had enough MP's to stop the bombing.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.

He was right.

It's a no win situation. When we bomb, innocent people will get killed. On the other hand, they estimate that every ISIS/ISIL fighter, whatever you want to call them, on an average is murdering Ten innocent people. So if you kill 100 ISIL fighters, you save the lives of roughly 1000 innocent people.
There are many good reasons to bomb, and many good reasons not to bomb.

 

[londonblue]

Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.

He was right.

And William Edward Hickson said:

'Tis a lesson you should heed:
Try, try, try again.
If at first you don't succeed,
Try, try, try again.

He was right.

 

[MK Shrimper]

And William Edward Hickson said:

'Tis a lesson you should heed:
Try, try, try again.
If at first you don't succeed,
Try, try, try again.

He was right.

Yes but I'm sure William Edward Hickson wasn't talking about the (accidental?) death of innocent men, women and children.

 

[londonblue]

Yes but I'm sure William Edward Hickson wasn't talking about the (accidental?) death of innocent men, women and children.

That isn't my point. My point is that we can all find quotes to back up our argument.

Apparently there's also no proof that Einstein ever said that!

 

[rigsby]

Yes but I'm sure William Edward Hickson wasn't talking about the (accidental?) death of innocent men, women and children.

I know you've done the blame Bush and Blair bit and the its all the fault of Western policy. But from this point on what would be your solutions to stop the situation in Syria and the threat in Europe.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Shame the Labour party and its stubbornly blind supporters don't take note. You might have had enough MP's to stop the bombing.

It is surely stubbornly blind to blame a Tory government's bombing raids on Labour Party voters. That is some extreme level of illogical right there.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I am sure that the air strikes will get the go ahead; however will it be worded as only on ISIS targets or include support strikes against Assad's forces too?
The hardest guess is when ground operations will be officially sanctioned: beyond the speculated, current Special Forces and Training umbrella/cover.

ISIL only according to what is being put to Parliament. And no ground troops, just bombing.....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Shame the Labour party and its stubbornly blind supporters don't take note. You might have had enough MP's to stop the bombing.

Surely you mean the PLP "might have had enough MP's to stop the bombing". if there'd been a three-line whip in today's vote.

As it is, I hope the 50 or so Labour MP's expected to vote with the government later today, will be held to account (if things go wrong in Syria,as I expect them to) in the future.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I know you've done the blame Bush and Blair bit and the its all the fault of Western policy. But from this point on what would be your solutions to stop the situation in Syria and the threat in Europe.

Not murdering innocent people who then begin to hate the very people that are supposed to be helping them would be a start.