The worsening situation in Ukraine

[* ORM *]

Perhaps controversial but at some point Ukraine have surely got to look at what is left in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and ask what exactly it is they are looking to gain by trying to get them back.

Re-draw the map of Ukraine keeping as much as they can, and allowing Putin to have his "victory" while at the same time ensuring the end to the rising death toll that the death of so many Ukrainian soldiers / volunteers.

That would only work if Putin signed up to not extending Russian territory anywhere else or face consequences (by which I mean proper sanctions because the current ones have had zero effect)

 

[Userorange]

That would only work if Putin signed up to not extending Russian territory anywhere else or face consequences (by which I mean proper sanctions because the current ones have had zero effect)

Not quite correct. The sanctions we have imposed on Russia have had a major effect on us.

 

[MattE]

Perhaps controversial but at some point Ukraine have surely got to look at what is left in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and ask what exactly it is they are looking to gain by trying to get them back.

Re-draw the map of Ukraine keeping as much as they can, and allowing Putin to have his "victory" while at the same time ensuring the end to the rising death toll that the death of so many Ukrainian soldiers / volunteers.

They tried that in 2014 when Crimea and other areas were annexed - didn't end up great

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

That would only work if Putin signed up to not extending Russian territory anywhere else or face consequences (by which I mean proper sanctions because the current ones have had zero effect)

And NATO not extending itself either.
Too many nations are funding both sides in the grinder.
Arabs are happy to have bigger power on political stage.
China looks to make money and influence as well as have west take its eye of Chinese take overs of African nations.
This will rumble on and on like Korea "police" action did.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Perhaps controversial but at some point Ukraine have surely got to look at what is left in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and ask what exactly it is they are looking to gain by trying to get them back.

Re-draw the map of Ukraine keeping as much as they can, and allowing Putin to have his "victory" while at the same time ensuring the end to the rising death toll that the death of so many Ukrainian soldiers / volunteers.

Fine but this isn't really a runner while Zelensky sitll talks about Crimea being part of Ukranian territory.While he's right of course,FWIW I think that particular battle was lost in 2014. NATO and the West in general were clearly asleep at the wheel for that one.

 

[Mad Cyril]

I think the Ukrainians have been given just enough rope so as to not hang themselves. You also don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes too. The rate of attrition is just not sustainable, machines you can replace men you can’t unless you bring in outside help..

The Ukrainians have put up an amazing fight but let’s hope they don’t suffer from a Bridge to Far syndrome. Both sides may well have to draw a line in the sand at some stage. Although saying that they may well have a crack at Crimea. Who knows.

I am sure the US want to keep Russia involved in a long war.

They did the same with Iran-Iraq in the 80s.

 

[Dutch Branch]

I am sure the US want to keep Russia involved in a long war.

They did the same with Iran-Iraq in the 80s.

Hard to say but it’s costing the yanks a lot of money support this thing and it’s not popular back home. The big concern for Ukraine is if Trump gets in next year.

Iran and Iraq had something Ukraine hasn’t and thats oil. We will get a better idea after Trump receives the Republican nomination which I’m sure he will.

Also I can’t see any so called offensive taking place until Ukraine can dominate the skies with updated aircraft and that won’t happen any time soon.