Ukip

[Jedi Shrimper]

Well Rayleigh South where I live went UKIP in the County Council Election. Rochford West went Green.

 

[Jedi Shrimper]

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/politics...nty_seats_as_conservatives_lose_out_1_2178692

So the Tories lost 17 seats on the County Council. UKIP won 9 seats, Labour 9, Lib Dems 9 & Greens 2.

 

[C C Csiders]

Indeed, I was surprised Barna made the bet to be honest.

When things are rosy and people have nothing to worry about they care more about Green issues. When times are hard, as they have been for years people look for security and UKIP currently offer what people want more than the Green party at the moment.

I cant see UKIP getting anywhere in an election, but its a statement.

If we get a million Romanians migrate over here then that will only help their cause.

One of Farage's (if he is so anti-Europe why does he pronounce his name Far-arje, rather than Farrij?) scare stories - that would mean 1 in 20 of the Romanian populace will be heading here. Complete tripe.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Think you may be putting your hands in your pocket here Barna, according to results I've heard so far! "Unprecedented success"!

Only 42 UKIP gains at the moment.It was a very canny bet actually.See the Greens won 2 seats in Essex too!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It appears that we have a winner in the BarnaBlue bet, or rather a LOSER!

I watched Question Time last night and it was obvious there that the politicos have few ideas of either the distrust & anger of the average Brit towards them (and the EU) or their policies.

The average Brit in Dartford you mean.

 

[class]

Good to see the Canvey Island Independent Party making significant gains on their precious Isle. Hopefully the party's main policy is to build a ring of steel around the Island and operate as a sovereign state away from the UK.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

...SMASHES IT!!!!!

Be warned UK next general election UKIP are coming and I can't ****ing wait!

Bye bye Europe

UKIP will do well at the European elections next year but by the GE in 2015 their protest votes will have evaporated and I doubt if they'll get a single MP elected anywhere in the country.

 

[dloman]

UKIP will do well at the European elections next year but by the GE in 2015 their protest votes will have evaporated and I doubt if they'll get a single MP elected anywhere in the country.

More than likely, as it did previously before the last general election. On a slightly different note this could well improve the tory position within the coalition. I would say the Lib Dems are further away from UKIP in policy opposed to any other party and in truth the Conservatives would possibly like to move further right but have been hampered by Clegg, perhaps the electorate speaking could well see change in position from the government.

 

[dloman]

Looking at the results in percentages and projected share of votes, it appears Labour haven't particularly done well either. Bearing in mind they where starting from an extremely low percentage from 2009 think it was around 20% they seem to have only increased that by around 6 or 7% and in overall share would end being third party behind UKIP and Conservative. For the leading opposition to only be around 26 or 27% of the vote in a mid term election against a supposed hated government, that is really quite a poor result for Milliband.

 

[Jam_Man]

One of Farage's (if he is so anti-Europe why does he pronounce his name Far-arje, rather than Farrij?) scare stories - that would mean 1 in 20 of the Romanian populace will be heading here. Complete tripe.

THe million was a figure I just popped out to be fair.

You only have to go to places like Thetford (where I as earlier this week) to see the mass migration that can happen.

Even a couple of hundred thousand wouldnt be welcome.

 

[Firestorm]

Looking at the results in percentages and projected share of votes, it appears Labour haven't particularly done well either. Bearing in mind they where starting from an extremely low percentage from 2009 think it was around 20% they seem to have only increased that by around 6 or 7% and in overall share would end being third party behind UKIP and Conservative. For the leading opposition to only be around 26 or 27% of the vote in a mid term election against a supposed hated government, that is really quite a poor result for Milliband.

I don't think that a straight forward extrapilation from the current figures is going to be particularly accurate given that the bulk of the 8 declarations so far a southern counties and have never been particular Labour inclined .

Cumbria , yet to declare have reported 10 out of 11 seats going to labour and Derbyshire they have gained 12 seats

 

[londonblue]

More than likely, as it did previously before the last general election. On a slightly different note this could well improve the tory position within the coalition. I would say the Lib Dems are further away from UKIP in policy opposed to any other party and in truth the Conservatives would possibly like to move further right but have been hampered by Clegg, perhaps the electorate speaking could well see change in position from the government.

I don't think anyone is going to be hampered by Clegg for some time to come:

BBC

Lib Dems came in 7th, sandwiched between the Monster Raving Loony Party and the BNP.

 

[Firestorm]

THe million was a figure I just popped out to be fair.

You only have to go to places like Thetford (where I as earlier this week) to see the mass migration that can happen.

Even a couple of hundred thousand wouldnt be welcome.

The First thing the British people could do to prevent immigration is for the unemployed etc to take all of the Jobs which are endeing up being done by Poles etc . That would cut a lot of the immigration as there are a many working and apparently sending the bulk of their money home, keep the money in this country, cut the benefits being paid reduce the unemployment figures.
Unfortunately the British employers are apparently not paying enough to warrant attract anyone other than overseas working migrants.

 

[Lord Football]

The thing about UKIP.... yes its a protest vote, people are fed up with the three main parties and politicians as a whole. Danger with protest parties is that you end up electing people who really should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of power (and that's the same for both ends of the political system). The other thing about UKIP is that they actually have no policies aside from their anti Europe tirade (which is in the main isn't based on fact or real life). At some point UKIP voters will have to decide if UKIP can run the economy etc or whether they are just a single issue party.

 

[Jam_Man]

The First thing the British people could do to prevent immigration is for the unemployed etc to take all of the Jobs which are endeing up being done by Poles etc . That would cut a lot of the immigration as there are a many working and apparently sending the bulk of their money home, keep the money in this country, cut the benefits being paid reduce the unemployment figures.
Unfortunately the British employers are apparently not paying enough to warrant attract anyone other than overseas working migrants.

I am in no way racist or against immigration, however I dont see how allowing people from poorer countries to simply waltz into England en masse like has happened over the decade. Being one of the rich countries in Europe (well supposedly!) it is obvious we will be an attraction to the less affluent countries.

I personally want us to have immigration controls similar to Australia, people should be able to come here if they have the relevant skills etc, not to just be able to turn up on a train and stay.

I see the appeal of UKIP but I also agree with Lord Football, I wouldnt want them running the country. Maybe them gaining popularity will force the main parties to actually do something about the open border policy that the EU brings.

 

[Firestorm]

The thing about UKIP.... yes its a protest vote, people are fed up with the three main parties and politicians as a whole. Danger with protest parties is that you end up electing people who really should not be allowed anywhere near the levers of power (and that's the same for both ends of the political system). The other thing about UKIP is that they actually have no policies aside from their anti Europe tirade (which is in the main isn't based on fact or real life). At some point UKIP voters will have to decide if UKIP can run the economy etc or whether they are just a single issue party.

So that would explain why there has been no response to my post of earlier this morning about UKIPs policies....

 

[chapperzUK]

So that would explain why there has been no response to my post of earlier this morning about UKIPs policies....

...or more down to nobody actually being bothered to find out what they are.

If you have time, then read their website - http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

 

[Jam_Man]

...or more down to nobody actually being bothered to find out what they are.

If you have time, then read their website - http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

Their website is running very slow, if at all when I try to load it. Can understand them getting a lot of traffic today, but if they cant run a website how will they run a country:smile:

 

[dloman]

I don't think that a straight forward extrapilation from the current figures is going to be particularly accurate given that the bulk of the 8 declarations so far a southern counties and have never been particular Labour inclined .

Cumbria , yet to declare have reported 10 out of 11 seats going to labour and Derbyshire they have gained 12 seats

Cumbria declared no change. This is a council Labour would have expected to win back having lost it in 2009 and in fact i would imagine would have been number one target and possibly the easiest for them to win back.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Declared results so far show UKIP have taken 42 seats so far. That's 35 more than the last local election and have taken 9 in Essex, that's 9 more than last time. It might well be me digging deep and adding to the Shrimperzone coffers but credit where it's due, this is a fantastic showing by us fruitcakes and loonies.:smile: