Jordan pilot. It is time to end this madness.

[Benfleet A1]

So you do support Sharia Law? Are you going the full hog and converting to Islam?

I might, infidel. Anyway, you have to admit, it would sort out the over population problems in prisons.

 

[Bielzibubz]

It would help for one Phil it those mega-rich countries in the Middle East started pulling their own fingers out to solve the problems there..I am not saying ISIS is not a world problem as it seems to be now, although as I have stated before we cast the first stone...

I am all for backing others if they are prepared to help themselves. Most countries in that region don't want to get involved and leave it to us in The West to become the police...That is fundamentally wrong IMO. Why are Jordan for one not asking their rich neighbours and allies to help first. Why are the USA and Western allies seen as the one and only answer to these problems? Action must be taken I agree.

PS: You can't just gloss over Iraq as an example as it suits your argument.

John, I wasn't glossing over Iraq. You know me and you know what my opinions are on that. My point was the past is the past. I agree with all the reasons we now find ourselves in the situation we do. I took exception at mrsblue's answer because it struck me as no serious answer at all and asked her to explain it in more detail. You know as well as I you can't just say.......ahh, fek it. Just pull em all out and let them get on with it. That's a bit like the nuke em all to hell and back answer. Unworkable and simplistic.

And pulling out of the two contentious countries of Iraq and Afganistan would have little to no effect on IS/ISIS/ISIL or radical Muslim extremism in the region or closer to home here in the UK.

 

[Benfleet A1]

This is an argument I been having all week on other threads on here...people saying well it's ok for them with their own beliefs to do as they please over there ...thats all ok , but bring any of your idealism over here and it ****es us off...wrong is wrong simple as from whatever corner of the world you come from. I used Saudi as an example.

You're barking at me again, aren't you.

 

[mrsblue]

:stunned: WOW! Just WOW!

What's done is done. We are where we are NOW.

Do you honestly believe that the radicals/extremists/terrorists, call them what you will, would just down guns, stop murdering innocents, stop wiping out whole towns of men, women and children? Do you honestly think they'd quit trying to impose Sharia Law where it's not wanted or allow women an education. Do you think they'd just give up on the idea of a Caliphate in a country that doesn't want it.

Do you honestly believe the radicals that want all of the above and want to impose Sharia Law her in the UK would just stop and think to themselves 'ah, it's ok now, they've left. As you were Abdul'?

And in case you hadn't noticed we are where we are in the world troop wise by invite. The US hasn't invaded anywhere and neither have we or any other western country. It's against international law to put foreign troops on to another countries sovereign soil without the express permission of said country (unless it's specifically sanctioned by the UN)

As I said before your view is both simplistic and naive in the extreme.............but expected.

Load of rubbish !

The West lied about their illegal war in Iraq which became the recruiting tool for millions of Muslims.

The attacks in France,London and America where the terrorists were all known by authorities including Lee Rigby's appalling murderers.Why did those in power fail to stop these madmen.

The West mainly America and meekly us invent stories to suit their own aims and the West will NEVER solve the ME crisis.

 

[Cricko]

Fair enough. Where do these groups of so called terrorists get their funding from...who supplies them with brand new Toyota Jeeps by the hundred and untold western weapons..that is the major question we should all be asking if the whole world is against them?

Unfortunately like it or not the West started the funding by backing Al Qaeda in the first place.

 

[mrsblue]

Fair enough, Where do these groups of so called terrorists get their funding from...who supplies them with brand new Toyota Jeeps by the hundred and untold western weapons..that is the major question we should all be asking if the whole world is against them?

Unfortunately like it or not the West started the funding by backing Al Qaeda in the first place.

Dont forget the West were matey with all the usual suspects which included arming them too,Then the West falls out with these very same people and either invades their country or instigates the deaths of those leaders.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Load of rubbish !

The West lied about their illegal war in Iraq which became the recruiting tool for millions of Muslims.

The attacks in France,London and America where the terrorists were all known by authorities including Lee Rigby's appalling murderers.Why did those in power fail to stop these madmen.

The West mainly America and meekly us invent stories to suit their own aims and the West will NEVER solve the ME crisis.

Jesus H Christ. Give me strength. I'm not disputing any of that. That's not my point and not what the thread is about.

I'm asking you what you believe the answer to be. Yes I know you've stated removing all troops from countries we're not invited into and I assumed by that you meant Iraq and Afghanistan and even so in the context of this thread and my questions it's a mute point. I asked you whether you seriously believed that would seriously end the violence, rape and genocide, terrorism etc both in the East and here in the West if that were to happen.

 

[Cricko]

You're barking at me again, aren't you.

Lol asif Al x

 

[chapperzUK]

Where do these groups of so called terrorists get their funding from

I'm guessing you didn't see that episode of Dragons Den ...

 

[mrsblue]

Jesus H Christ. Give me strength. I'm not disputing any of that. That's not my point and not what the thread is about.

I'm asking you what you believe the answer to be. Yes I know you've stated removing all troops from countries we're not invited into and I assumed by that you meant Iraq and Afghanistan and even so in the context of this thread and my questions it's a mute point. I asked you whether you seriously believed that would seriously end the violence, rape and genocide, terrorism etc both in the East and here in the West if that were to happen.

Nobody will ever know until the West decides to let them get on with it,but we will never leave them alone because of crude.
With over 1 billion Muslims with the majority hating the West in particular America and why ?Because a few suits wanted their share of crude ?Or a few suits wanted to solve the world's problems?,why don't they become involved in Africa and BH who are slaughtering raping torturing on a grand scale yet the West are not interested.

 

[Cricko]

Lets look at it another way, Had Camoron had his way we would now be fighting in Syria with no idea who we were supporting ... ISIS, rebel groups,the fundamentalist factions, anti government, freedom fighters blah blah blah.. Now that would not have become a mess would it? It is all well and good saying we in the west should police the world...but they do not think,act or see it the same way as us...each to there own as it suits.Lets make the rules up as we go along.

There, if possible will only be one way to solve this and it is not with bombs and killing, that will go on infinitum until people sit around a table, which I doubt will ever happen it's too late...The war machine is far too important to the financial world these days.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Lol asif Al x

Is he part of ISIS then?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Nobody will ever know until the West decides to let them get on with it,but we will never leave them alone because of crude.
With over 1 billion Muslims with the majority hating the West in particular America and why ?Because a few suits wanted their share of crude ?Or a few suits wanted to solve the world's problems?,why don't they become involved in Africa and BH who are slaughtering raping torturing on a grand scale yet the West are not interested.

Then why state your point of view as an answer to the question when you know full well it'll never happen?

OK, that bit there. :hilarious::hilarious: I now give up. You have a screw loose :hilarious: I'm out

ps Cricko knows me and knows I pretty much agree with your last paragraph, apart from the bit I highlighted. That bit's hilarious.

 

[londonblue]

Is he part of ISIS then?

God you're stupid. He's a founder member of the Peoples' Front of Judea.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Lets look at it another way, Had Camoron had his way we would now be fighting in Syria with no idea who we were supporting ... ISIS, rebel groups,the fundamentalist factions, anti government, freedom fighters blah blah blah.. Now that would not have become a mess would it? It is all well and good saying we in the west should police the world...but they do not think,act or see it the same way as us...each to there own as it suits.Lets make the rules up as we go along.

There, if possible will only be one way to solve this and it is not with bombs and killing, that will go on infinitum until people sit around a table, which I doubt will ever happen it's too late...The war machine is far too important to the financial world these days.

Absobloodylutely :D

 

[Bielzibubz]

God you're stupid. He's a founder member of the Peoples' Front of Judea.

I thought his name was Judith :unsure:

 

[mrsblue]

Then why state your point of view as an answer to the question when you know full well it'll never happen?

OK, that bit there. :hilarious::hilarious: I now give up. You have a screw loose :hilarious: I'm out

ps Cricko knows me and knows I pretty much agree with your last paragraph, apart from the bit I highlighted. That bit's hilarious.

If you believe that then you are the one with a screw loose!

I stated my answer whether or not it happens is irrelevant .

 

[chapperzUK]

God you're stupid. He's a founder member of the Peoples' Front of Judea.

Lol Asif Al is the more successful of his brothers. Lmao Asif Al is a lavatory salesmans and Rofl Asif Al is a carpet fitter.

 

[londonblue]

I thought his name was Judith :unsure:

Oh ****. My mistake. Sorry.

 

[mrsblue]

Lol Asif Al is the more successful of his brothers. Lmao Asif Al is a lavatory salesmans and Rofl Asif Al is a carpet fitter.

I thought they ran a pub down the Mile End road .