The EU Referendum

[Massimo Giovanni]

Didn't see QT on Thursday.

You haven't seen anything yet in terms of the barrage of remain propaganda that's going to come your way.:smile:

Aside from the blatant "remain" bias of the BBC and entrenched positions of the major newspapers the comments on the issues are few and lacking in substance.
How is the campaign being reported in Spain and France?
Is there any concern that the UK will vote "Leave"?
Do they (especially the Frogs) want us to depart?

 

[MK Shrimper]

**deleted the troll post**

 

[manor15]

Any proof of that?

No, so deleted.

 

[Beefy]

What makes me sick is people presenting opinion as fact, and how those "opinions" make it read verbatim onto the fronts of newspapers for people to see on a daily basis.

Which opinions specifically are you referring to? Most of the "scaremongering" as you put it seems very clearly and explicitly to be speculation and opinion based on what they (and common sense tbh) think will happen. Of course if it doesn't suit your agenda and ideology then you'll read more into it than that,

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36295208

See that clown Boris Johnson has been at it again.

 

[Beefy]

Talking about "scaremongering" perhaps you can explain to me why-when GB is not signed up to Schengen or the Euro-why the right is so worried about immigration and the Euro-zone crisis?

Yeah this is confusing me today. It looks like the BBC have a documentary coming out about the exodus of White English people out of London coming up and all the Facebook and Twitter links plus newspaper comments are full of people saying it shows why we have to vote to leave but surely these are two very separate issues. I'd be very surprised if many Banglashesh and Pakistan nations now living in London have come there via Belgium or France.

The U.K. needs a full and frank conversation and public debate about immigration and about what kind of Britain we want to leave to our kids and grandkids and people should be able to speak their minds on it without worrying about being told off by the PC brigade but again I'm not convinced that this is that moment.

Immigration from outside of the EU should be something that any country can control. I think the failings to do it in the UK are a failing of the U.K. Government more than a failing of the EU, although am open to facts saying the opposite. Freedom of movement from the rest of the EU is something that should always be questioned but we're more likely to be able to take the edge off of that (as Cameron has done with the deal on claiming benefits) from inside than from outside.

 

[Beefy]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36295208

See that clown Boris Johnson has been at it again.

Lol

And it is those who want to remain who are accused of scaremongering. There's a serious point in there which is worth having in the debate but he's deliberately and unnecessarily thrown in Hitler to leave that image with people.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Aside from the blatant "remain" bias of the BBC and entrenched positions of the major newspapers the comments on the issues are few and lacking in substance.
How is the campaign being reported in Spain and France?
Is there any concern that the UK will vote "Leave"?
Do they (especially the Frogs) want us to depart?

I think it's fair to say, that in both Spain and France, as far as people (and certainly the media) are concerned that there's genuine concern that GB might leave the EU and Brexit would make the EU weaker.

Think it's also fair to say that most commentators (and especially expats) put the whole Brexit thing down to GB's traditional dislike of Europe and Europeans.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Talking about "scaremongering" perhaps you can explain to me why-when GB is not signed up to Schengen or the Euro-why the right is so worried about immigration and the Euro-zone crisis?

Because if we stay in, we'll only be heading for further integration and I would think it's likely that we would at some point have to sign up to Schengen and join the Euro.

In any case, while we may not be part of Schengen we still have to abide by the EU's freedom of movement rules, which is why over 600,000 people are coming to the country every year at the moment. It's why we can't stop people like Arnis Zalkans coming to the UK. Outside the EU we would have be able to have a fairer and more controlled immigration system.

 

[superblue24]

In case anyone has a spare hour to see some pretty strong arguments to leave the EU.... Not sure I've seen the "Remain" movie advertised.....

[video=youtube;BKDPK1Grqr0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0[/video]

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Because if we stay in, we'll only be heading for further integration and I would think it's likely that we would at some point have to sign up to Schengen and join the Euro.

Not if we didn't sign up for it (which of course we won't).

Your second comment is really the worse sort of scaremongering.

All you can say with any certainty,is that there is likely to be a two track EU (rather as there is now) with some countries signed up to the Euro and Schengen and others not.

The idea that signing up to Schengen and joining the Euro in the future would be made compulsory is frankly,just preposterous.

In any case, while we may not be part of Schengen we still have to abide by the EU's freedom of movement rules, which is why over 600,000 people are coming to the country every year at the moment. It's why we can't stop people like Arnis Zalkans coming to the UK. Outside the EU we would have be able to have a fairer and more controlled immigration system

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Sorry never heard of Arnis Zalkans.Who he?

Quite frankly, I don't really understand what your problem is with the free movement of people within the EU?

The idea that outside the EU-assuming we still wanted to trade with the single market- "we would have be able to have a fairer and more controlled immigration system" is,of course,palpable nonsense.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

In case anyone has a spare hour to see some pretty strong arguments to leave the EU.... Not sure I've seen the "Remain" movie advertised.....

[video=youtube;BKDPK1Grqr0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0[/video]

Then you clearly haven't been paying attention to the remain campaign media bombardment, which started in earnest last week.:winking:

BTW,Nigel Lawson actually lives in France.How in hell does he have the cheek to campaign for Brexit?

 

[callan]

Sorry never heard of Arnis Zalkans.Who he?

Quite frankly, I don't really understand what your problem is with the free movement of people within the EU?

The idea that outside the EU-assuming we still wanted to trade with the single market- "we would have be able to have a fairer and more controlled immigration system" is,of course,palpable nonsense.

What is nonsense, is your support for a system that discriminates.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What is nonsense, is your support for a system that discriminates.

Discriminates against whom? Certainly not EU nationals.

 

[callan]

Discriminates against whom? Certainly not EU nationals.

I would have thought by process of elimination, even you would be able to get your head round that one.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I would have thought by process of elimination, even you would be able to get your head round that one.

Um..people from the rest of the world then..including the so-called commonwealth?

Tell me ,how come you're all in favour of letting more people from the rest of the world into the UK but don't want to accept any refugees?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36299835

 

[callan]

Um..people from the rest of the world then..including the so-called commonwealth?

Tell me ,how come you're all in favour of letting more people from the rest of the world into the UK but don't want to accept any refugees?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36299835

See not so hard was it? :winking:

I'm in favour of a fair immigration system for all, not one that discriminates against non Europeans or indeed the low paid of our Country.

In terms of refugees, I want a safe system for allowing entry, Merkels stupidity didn't allow for that as you well know.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

See not so hard was it? :winking:

I'm in favour of a fair immigration system for all, not one that discriminates against non Europeans or indeed the low paid of our Country.

In terms of refugees, I want a safe system for allowing entry, Merkels stupidity didn't allow for that as you well know.

According to Call me Dave, leaving the EU, would in fact discriminate against the lowest paid in the UK.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36299324

 

[londonblue]

Yes know that and that was what I was referring to. A perfect example of us not needing the EU to protect workers and perfect example of the same scaremongering about job losses by big business.

It's also a perfect example of how we're not dictated to by Europe.

 

[Beefy]

Because if we stay in, we'll only be heading for further integration and I would think it's likely that we would at some point have to sign up to Schengen and join the Euro.

Again with the scaremongering.

There is zero chance of the UK signing up to either Schengen or the Euro in the foreseeable future (or ever at a guess).