It's Just like watching Southend...

[Andyhsufc]

I would like to see an experienced head come in alongside Tilly and Brush just to bring some fresh ideas to the table.

 

[Sean 2]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

 

[Grayson]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

Well said. The miserable *******s in the East Reds tonight were unbearable.

 

[palexander]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

If you want to pay £400+ a year to watch matches and perfomances like that, then more fool you.

Money (and time) is tight for me and I dont know how long I can continue justifying going at the current time when the club arent seemingly committing any money to the cause.

I wont deny statistically that Tilson is the best manager in the clubs history, but he has had an easy ride of it. You can only tell the character of somebody when the chips are down and he is showing he is not up to the job.

 

[Andy_S]

Things are bad, but they will only be bad enough for us to bring Russell Slade in when we're struggling in mid table of League 2! Not an option at all.

One thing is true though, we desperately need a couple of fresh faces in to add something different.

 

[palexander]

Well said. The miserable *******s in the East Reds tonight were unbearable.

Come on mate, to be fair, there was plenty to gripe about tonight. I know it doesnt help the situation and the best way to be a 'fan' is support from the terraces - which I'm sure most of us (try to) do, but they've paid their £20 and are entitled to have a pop after performances like that...

 

[Grayson]

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I wont deny statistically that Tilson is the best manager in the clubs history, but he has had an easy ride of it. You can only tell the character of somebody when the chips are down and he is showing he is not up to the job.

The 'easy ride' you speak of was created by him :nope:

 

[palexander]

The 'easy ride' you speak of was created by him :nope:

Yea, but the only way was up really... and I'll always give him credit for getting Eastwood in of course, but without Freddy and that spectacular start v Swansea, I doubt we'd have anywhere near the success we had.

The 'easy ride' I was talking about is following the Eastwood explosion - I think the team was carried away by confidence and momentum and from that position, its not hard to guide a team in that situation I would have thought. I fact, I but Tilly couldnt believe his luck - team talks would be like

"442 AGAIN lads, keep it going..."

I always think of that period like a run-a-way train that believed 100% that they could pretty much beat anyone with Freddy in the team and all of that has made Tilson look so much better than he deserves credit for IMO. He isnt a good manager, I dont even think he is a lucky one - he just had a lucky break and rode the wave... fair play to him, but he is now being exposed.

 

[Sean 2]

If you want to pay £400+ a year to watch matches and perfomances like that, then more fool you.

Money (and time) is tight for me and I dont know how long I can continue justifying going at the current time when the club arent seemingly committing any money to the cause.

I wont deny statistically that Tilson is the best manager in the clubs history, but he has had an easy ride of it. You can only tell the character of somebody when the chips are down and he is showing he is not up to the job.

Couldn't give a monkeys about 400 sobs, but i don't wish to hear idiots prattle on during the course of a game as if they know their football, 'cos it's painfully obvious they don't. As for Tilson out, give someone else a try, yeah right that should be fun.The usual merry-go-round of ******* sending us into oblivion.
It'll be ok though, the masses demanded it right?

 

[Sean 2]

Yea, but the only way was up really... and I'll always give him credit for getting Eastwood in of course, but without Freddy and that spectacular start v Swansea, I doubt we'd have anywhere near the success we had.

The 'easy ride' I was talking about is following the Eastwood explosion - I think the team was carried away by confidence and momentum and from that position, its not hard to guide a team in that situation I would have thought. I fact, I but Tilly couldnt believe his luck - team talks would be like

"442 AGAIN lads, keep it going..."

I always think of that period like a run-a-way train that believed 100% that they could pretty much beat anyone with Freddy in the team and all of that has made Tilson look so much better than he deserves credit for IMO. He isnt a good manager, I dont even think he is a lucky one - he just had a lucky break and rode the wave... fair play to him, but he is now being exposed.

Now this post i find amazing. It was all too easy for Tilson??

:D:(:D:(

 

[A Century United]

Just as a point of interest in the middle of all this Tilson bashing, he was being lambasted for his inability to sort out the defence. We have now gone 349 minutes, or 11 minutes short of four matches, without conceding from open play or a corner. The two goals we have conceded have been a well-struck penalty that Mildy nearly got, and a very well struck freekick that even the God-like Flahavan wouldn't have stopped.

 

[Silencer]

Football is a game of opinions and people paying are entitled to theirs....What makes your opinions right?!?

Nothing - hence that is the beauty of the game that we love.

Tilly has to hold his hands up for this mess of a squad, but after his rein so far, sureley he deserves the summer to get players in and start again!

Personally, I reckon that Tilly would give anything for Maher, Gower and Freddy now. Is Maher even playing??

 

[Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset]

I do not support the Tilly must go thing, mostly because I think with the right backing from those around him he is the right man until we have some better financial clout which we anticipate might come with a new ground. Until then I simply think we would not attract anyone better.

But Tilly really sometimes seems completely clueless. His post match interview this eve was a disgrace, bemoaning Crewe's tactics when he seemingly had none to offer himself. Crewe must be laughing at us, we showed no invention whatsoever and like moths to a light just fell in to their trap.

What do you do when a team packs the defence (and incidentally I have seen more negative play than Crewe, early on when 0-0 they looked better on the ball than us, equally worrying)? You do NOT try and thread it through the middle where all their players are. You stick players on both flanks, spread out the play and create gaps that way.

Tilly needs to go to coaching school I think, the mess out on the pitch was just so basic it beggars belief that they are paid to do that and have been training to do it.

Yes, Francis never showed any adventure, but I suspect he was working to Tilly's tactics, and he is not really the man to go rampaging down the wing anyway. There were two wingers on the bench, Tilly clearly does not believe in them and I do have sympathy with that.

The solution once the obvious tactics were identified was also obvious - stick Theo on the wing, he has pace. And then pass to him.

Poor old Dougie must be going mental with it all and perhaps strongly tempted to give Tilly a Scottish greeting (I am told this consists of a head butt) to wake him up. To see Dougie on the wing trying to give it some width as no one else was bothering was frustrating - Dougie has the nounce but not the pace (though his injury time cross on Saturday was top notch).

And, as the BBC Essex post match analysis stated, why did they persist with those daft short corners and getting offside. Annoying to do it wrong once, stupid twice, and brainless for a third time.

If I was that crap at work I would not expect much reward from my boss.

I do so hope Tilly & Co read these threads from tonight, learn something, and avoid a complete embarrasment on Saturday.

 

[palexander]

Now this post i find amazing. It was all too easy for Tilson??

:D:(:D:(

If you can point out where I said that exactly?

 

[GBJ]

Just as a point of interest in the middle of all this Tilson bashing, he was being lambasted for his inability to sort out the defence. We have now gone 349 minutes, or 11 minutes short of four matches, without conceding from open play or a corner. The two goals we have conceded have been a well-struck penalty that Mildy nearly got, and a very well struck freekick that even the God-like Flahavan wouldn't have stopped.

surely you mean freekick? ;) but gettin beaten from 30 yards does pose some questions surely

 

[Exiled Shrimper]

...I wont deny statistically that Tilson is the best manager in the clubs history, but he has had an easy ride of it. You can only tell the character of somebody when the chips are down and he is showing he is not up to the job.

"Easy ride of it"! Do you remember where we were when Tilly and Brush took over? I'll remind you - second bottom of the entire Football League. The chips were well and truly down then - months of mind-numbingly poor performances at home under Steve Wignall (not just the odd one here and there like tonight), including a 2-0 defeat to Boston United at the Hall which ranks as one of my worst nights as a Southend supporter, and a 2-2 draw grasped from the hands of victory against Carlisle United, who hitherto had managed a meagre four points that season.

Tilly, with the assistance of Paul Brush, had to fight for the right to manage Southend United. He wasn't just handed the job by Ron Martin - it wasn't until we reached the first LDV Final that Ron finally believed, as most supporters had encouraged him for months, that Tilly and Brush were the men to lead us forward. And how he has been rewarded.

You might think I'm shortsighted, but I'm reasonably content with being just below mid-table in League One, because I can remember feeling as though we would be relegated not from the third tier, but from the entire Football League. And with no ground, that could very much have meant having no football club. Five years down the line, it's very, very easy to forget that.

Getting rid of Tilson now undermines everything that has been built up over the past five years. It means risking very seriously relegation this season, which I firmly believe will NOT happen at the moment, however badly we played tonight, and yes, we were truly dreadful.

But it also means risking losing Ricky Duncan, or bringing in a manager that does not support the youth department. I'm not saying that the result tonight doesn't matter because the Centre of Excellence is doing well, but look at the brightspots this season - the emergence of Johnny Herd, the coming of age of Franck Moussa who, if he is moved into the middle, can be the inventive, creative spark that we lack, the fact that we can call upon the likes of Stuart O'Keefe or Charles Addemeno, to do a job when required.

That means that you don't have to have the massive 'war chest', because you produce your own talent. Getting rid of Steve Tilson risks losing that, and at what cost personally to those players and generally to the future financial health of the club?

 

[A Century United]

surely you mean freekick? ;)

Don't know what you mean :whistling:

but gettin beaten from 30 yards does pose some questions surely

Not really, any keeper can be beaten by a well placed kick even from that distance... Just ask Kuszczak

The Championship strugglers progressed to the quarter-finals thanks to a stunning first-half 30-yard free-kick from top scorer Freddy Eastwood.

 

[palexander]

"Easy ride of it"! Do you remember where we were when Tilly and Brush took over? I'll remind you - second bottom of the entire Football League. The chips were well and truly down then - months of mind-numbingly poor performances at home under Steve Wignall (not just the odd one here and there like tonight), including a 2-0 defeat to Boston United at the Hall which ranks as one of my worst nights as a Southend supporter, and a 2-2 draw grasped from the hands of victory against Carlisle United, who hitherto had managed a meagre four points that season.

Tilly, with the assistance of Paul Brush, had to fight for the right to manage Southend United. He wasn't just handed the job by Ron Martin - it wasn't until we reached the first LDV Final that Ron finally believed, as most supporters had encouraged him for months, that Tilly and Brush were the men to lead us forward. And how he has been rewarded.

You might think I'm shortsighted, but I'm reasonably content with being just below mid-table in League One, because I can remember feeling as though we would be relegated not from the third tier, but from the entire Football League. And with no ground, that could very much have meant having no football club. Five years down the line, it's very, very easy to forget that.

Getting rid of Tilson now undermines everything that has been built up over the past five years. It means risking very seriously relegation this season, which I firmly believe will NOT happen at the moment, however badly we played tonight, and yes, we were truly dreadful.

But it also means risking losing Ricky Duncan, or bringing in a manager that does not support the youth department. I'm not saying that the result tonight doesn't matter because the Centre of Excellence is doing well, but look at the brightspots this season - the emergence of Johnny Herd, the coming of age of Franck Moussa who, if he is moved into the middle, can be the inventive, creative spark that we lack, the fact that we can call upon the likes of Stuart O'Keefe or Charles Addemeno, to do a job when required.

That means that you don't have to have the massive 'war chest', because you produce your own talent. Getting rid of Steve Tilson risks losing that, and at what cost personally to those players and generally to the future financial health of the club?

Which was my point of 'the only way was up'. Its much like the situation now (or could be) a new man coming in, new ideas, fresh motivation.

How many clubs change manager and go on a run or change their fortune?

Look, I'm not going to deny the guy ANY praise - YES, he pulled us away from going out the league, YES he found Eastwood, YES he oversaw our surge up the league and cup final appearances.

Statistically YES he is the most successful manager of our time.

But how many people despise Jobson despite saving the clubs very existance and appointing (IMO) the best manager the club has had in Dave Webb? I'm saying that saving the club and being any good are not mutually exclusive...

I'm grateful - I've NEVER said I dont like the guy and if you check back on my posts I have always said he will go down in Southend folklore and he deserves it - truely.

But I maintain that times come in any relationship were things go stale, or you run out of ideas, become complacent, the other party stops listening to you - being fair, perhaps he hasnt got the tools to do his job, either Martin OR Tilson are lying. One says there is money, one (from his actions) shows it isnt.

I do take your point on board about possible back-room changes and that is a great point well made - one I'd not considered and our youth policy and Duncan in particular is a very welcome positive at Southend.

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

And, as the BBC Essex post match analysis stated, why did they persist with those daft short corners and getting offside. Annoying to do it wrong once, stupid twice, and brainless for a third time.

I think the reason why we try those stupid short corners is because of the slope of the pitch & players cant get a decent run up to take the corners.

But we were getting caught offside earlier in the season using the short corners so scrap them now and start practising corners on the Roots Hall pitch & not on the training ground???.

 

[palexander]

I think the reason why we try those stupid short corners is because of the slope of the pitch & players cant get a decent run up to take the corners.

But we were getting caught offside earlier in the season using the short corners so scrap them now and start practising corners on the Roots Hall pitch & not on the training ground???.

Surely the sensible thing would be to lay the ball backwards?! Player A roll it to B, B knocks it behind him for A to collect... not hard is it, what on earth do they do in training?