Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Could be interesting to have a poll of if people think Brexit will happen or not.
The problems stacking up for May right now are too numerous to list, the list would need updating throughout the day.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I am no idealist and I've never mentioned a promised land. I also think I said we were cannon fodder for the politicians and conglomerates (Branson).
I will repeat, the British electorate have minimal say in the EU beaurocracy, but a bit more influence in Westminster. To have more influence we need to be less divided and hold our own politicians to account. The divisions are growing by the day and that doesn't help anyone except the ones who are in power and those who lobby them.
The latest piece of propaganda was the media's coverage of that March on Saturday, by continually stating 500 to 700 thousand attended, whereas the police estimate was 130,000 ish. Just trying to show that the support for being against brexit is larger than it actually is. I wonder why?

Have you a source for where the police said it was 130,000?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I am no idealist and I've never mentioned a promised land. I also think I said we were cannon fodder for the politicians and conglomerates (Branson).
I will repeat, the British electorate have minimal say in the EU beaurocracy, but a bit more influence in Westminster. To have more influence we need to be less divided and hold our own politicians to account. The divisions are growing by the day and that doesn't help anyone except the ones who are in power and those who lobby them.
The latest piece of propaganda was the media's coverage of that March on Saturday, by continually stating 500 to 700 thousand attended, whereas the police estimate was 130,000 ish. Just trying to show that the support for being against brexit is larger than it actually is. I wonder why?

I wouldn't say the great British public are having too much luck atm in trying to get the 2016 referendum result implemented by their elected politicians.

Demo figures have always been hotly contested, btw.Though,as I understand it, it was a march for a People's vote rather than a demo "against Brexit" as such.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Have you a source for where the police said it was 130,000?

Good point.In the Observer yesterday they quoted the Police as refusing to give an estimate.

 

[rigsby]

I wouldn't say the great British public are having too much luck atm in trying to get the 2016 referendum result implemented by their elected politicians.

Demo figures have always been hotly contested, btw.Though,as I understand it, it was a march for a People's vote rather than a demo "against Brexit" as such.

It was the march of the Snowflakes

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It was the march of the Snowflakes

I take it you're referring to the future generations who will eventually reverse the 2016 referendum vote?

 

[Swiss Tony]

I take it you're referring to the future generations who will eventually reverse the 2016 referendum vote?

Bloody democracy eh!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Bloody democracy eh!

You gotta trust the yoof,you know.

 

[dcblue]

Have you a source for where the police said it was 130,000?

It was an ex mp and mep, Lord something or other. It appears he was quoting a figure out of thin air, unless he had an unofficial source. It just proved what I said. Politicians are only interested in keeping us divided.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

It was an ex mp and mep, Lord something or other. It appears he was quoting a figure out of thin air, unless he had an unofficial source. It just proved what I said. Politicians are only interested in keeping us divided.

I think he might have been quoting a Met estimate from before Saturday. Clearly it greatly exceeded that figure on the day.

 

[MK Shrimper]

It was an ex mp and mep, Lord something or other. It appears he was quoting a figure out of thin air, unless he had an unofficial source. It just proved what I said. Politicians are only interested in keeping us divided.

British politics is utterly divided at the moment. The right and left Brexits want different things, both of which they're not going to get and these career politicians are using it to get leverage over the opposition and those in their own party.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I see the Brexit backing James Dyson is doing his bit to help out by building his new electric car company in....Singapore.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I see the Brexit backing James Dyson is doing his bit to help out by building his new electric car company in....Singapore.

Nothing Dyson produces is made here in the UK and if you took just a few moments to research a subject you'd find out it has and never has had anything to do with Brexit. The plans for his car and plant go back long before the June 2016 referendum result but as par for the course don't let a few facts get in the way of a bit of scare mongering.

But while we're on facts.

£200m to be or has been spent here in the UK on R&D and test track facilities.

Currently employs over 4800 here in the UK, more than in any other country in the world.

 

[rigsby]

All Dyson is guilty of is pointing out the obvious fact that self important bureaucrats do not creat trade. It’s people like him that do..... He believes he will continue to do so after Brexit.

 

[Benfleet A1]

All Dyson is guilty of is pointing out the obvious fact that self important bureaucrats do not creat trade. It’s people like him that do..... He believes he will continue to do so after Brexit.

So nothing to do with the recently signed free trade deal between Singapore and the EU which includes car production and parts then.

 

[blues exile]

Nothing Dyson has ever produced has ever been made here in the UK and if you took just a few moments to research a subject you'd find out it has and never has had anything to do with Brexit. The plans for his car and plant go back long before the June 2016 referendum result but as par for the course don't let a few facts get in the way of a bit of scare mongering.

But while we're on facts.

£200m to be or has been spent here in the UK on R&D and test track facilities.

Currently employs over 4800 here in the UK, more than in any other country in the world.

Utter nonsense of course to try to portray Dyson as some benevolent philanthropistwho has created British jobs.. The facts are these: his vacuum cleaners and washing machines were being made in Malmesbury Wiltshire until he found he could have them made for 30% less in Malaysia resulting in job losses to the local economy. He is only involved in R & D in the UK because of the tax benefits not for altruistic or patriotic reasons. Why do some people admire greedy money grabbers like this.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Yes, undoubtedly it did/does and I dare say that's one of the reasons why he doesn't manufacture any products here in the UK and never has so the point about his company not making his proposed electric car here really is neither here nor there. You could say the same for any other UK based organisation that has and will continue to produce goods and services overseas.

It's strange really when James Dyson and his company has been singled out as some kind of traitor and yet he's one of the strongest proponents of Brexit there is and believes whole heartedly that he, his company and many many others like him will continue to prosper, grow and plow millions back into the UK economy.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Utter nonsense of course to try to portray Dyson as some benevolent philanthropistwho has created British jobs.. The facts are these: his vacuum cleaners and washing machines were being made in Malmesbury Wiltshire until he found he could have them made for 30% less in Malaysia resulting in job losses to the local economy. He is only involved in R & D in the UK because of the tax benefits not for altruistic or patriotic reasons. Why do some people admire greedy money grabbers like this.

And there you have it in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen. Hard left Socialism at its finest and why corporate capitalism will ALWAYS win out and why JC and brand of Labour will never see the inside of No10. Mandelson and Bliar new it and saw it and why we ended up with a Labour party in name only.

I know, let's make something here in the UK for 30% more than I could elsewhere in the world and then I know what, let's pass on that increased cost to Mr and Mrs Joe Public.

Question. Would you, if you owned a successful manufacturing company, sought and found a much cheaper way of making your product outside of the UK, would you suck it up and restrict your companies growth or do what was necessary for that company to grow?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

And there you have it in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen. Hard left Socialism at its finest and why corporate capitalism will ALWAYS win out and why JC and brand of Labour will never see the inside of No10. Mandelson and Bliar new it and saw it and why we ended up with a Labour party in name only.

I know, let's make something here in the UK for 30% more than I could elsewhere in the world and then I know what, let's pass on that increased cost to Mr and Mrs Joe Public.

Question. Would you, if you owned a successful manufacturing company, sought and found a much cheaper way of making your product outside of the UK, would you suck it up and restrict your companies growth or do what was necessary for that company to grow?

Did Dyson suffer from low sales when they were made in the UK? No, Mr and Mrs Joe Public were happy to buy the British made Dyson. Did the prices Mr and Mrs Joe Public paid drop by 30% when they were no longer British made? Not that I'm aware of and I'm an ex customer so I expect they would have let me know.

Maybe this kind of thing is why socialism has become more attractive, maybe Mr and Mrs Joe Public would like decent jobs in the UK.

 

[blues exile]

And there you have it in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen. Hard left Socialism at its finest and why corporate capitalism will ALWAYS win out and why JC and brand of Labour will never see the inside of No10. Mandelson and Bliar new it and saw it and why we ended up with a Labour party in name only.

I know, let's make something here in the UK for 30% more than I could elsewhere in the world and then I know what, let's pass on that increased cost to Mr and Mrs Joe Public.

Question. Would you, if you owned a successful manufacturing company, sought and found a much cheaper way of making your product outside of the UK, would you suck it up and restrict your companies growth or do what was necessary for that company

So maximising profit is the over riding motivation for people like Dyson, quel surprise! The mystery is, why do those who will never in their own lives remotely emulate such 'success' consider Dyson, Branson and their ilk to be role models and objects of veneration.