MEP Elections

callan · Apr 11, 2014

Tangled up in Blue said:
Recent research has shown that immigration (especially from the EU) has been shown to have a positive effect on the UK economy.

"Those from the European Economic Area (EEA - the EU plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) had made a particularly positive contribution in the decade up to 2011, the authors noted, contributing 34% more in taxes than they received in benefits and services."

..."between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25880373[/QUOTE

From the same article, and to add balance;

However, studying the numbers in the UCL report more closely, another finding emerges.

And that is, that if you look at the figures for the whole of the period under study, 1995-2011, immigration has been a drain on the public purse.

To the tune of about £95bn.

But what we really want to know is, are immigrants creating added value? That is, are we all better off because of the newcomers?

Two groups are generally believed to be clear beneficiaries of immigration - the immigrants themselves, who move from poor countries to ones where more opportunities are on offer, and the employers of cheap labour.

And of course it's not just a question of economics and numbers. There are less tangible effects to consider. The impact on culture, on community, for example - important considerations, which are difficult to measure.

callan · Apr 11, 2014

MK Shrimper said:
As UKIP's MEP's voted against or abstained against an equal pay act for women, they can kiss my stinky butt if they think they're getting my vote.

Maybe any female ShrimperZoner might want to take that into account before a vote for Farage and his bunch of dinosaurs. Or even us men with mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, aunts, nieces, and female friends.

We already have an equal pay act, voted for by the UK parliament.

Another Surrey Shrimper · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
We already have an equal pay act, voted for by the UK parliament.

A law passed in the European Parliament would make that Europe wide though...

callan · Apr 11, 2014

Another Surrey Shrimper said:
A law passed in the European Parliament would make that Europe wide though...

That's the point though....shouldn't it be upto the respective goverment's to decide this?

Massimo Giovanni · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
That's the point though....shouldn't it be upto the respective goverment's to decide this?

hence UKIP didn't vote on something which changed nothing in the UK? is that your meaning?
For my vote, and I urge all to vote, (always), I will vote UKIP: but not as I agree with them, only to give the main parties one less voter; or maybe green? It is hard to know which way to waste a vote!

callan · Apr 11, 2014

Massimo Giovanni said:
hence UKIP didn't vote on something which changed nothing in the UK? is that your meaning?
For my vote, and I urge all to vote, (always), I will vote UKIP: but not as I agree with them, only to give the main parties one less voter; or maybe green? It is hard to know which way to waste a vote!

Partly, but think its more than that.
The uk electorate have only ever voted directly on economic union with Europe, not Political...yet here we have more interference.
In MK's original post the implication is that UKIP are against equal pay, that simply isn't the case.
What they did is abstain in a meaningless vote for the UK on the principal that the European parliament should not be interfering .

londonblue · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
Partly, but think its more than that.
The uk electorate have only ever voted directly on economic union with Europe, not Political...yet here we have more interference.
In MK's original post the implication is that UKIP are against equal pay, that simply isn't the case.
What they did is abstain in a meaningless vote for the UK on the principal that the European parliament should not be interfering .

How do Europe interfere with us politically? I thought we were free to vote for whom we like?

callan · Apr 11, 2014

londonblue said:
How do Europe interfere with us politically? I thought we were free to vote for whom we like?

You can vote for who you like, but perhaps not what you like.
An amount of legislation / Law (the actual amount is a whole new can of worms) that is passed now come from the EU.
When did you vote for this to happen?

MK Shrimper · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
We already have an equal pay act, voted for by the UK parliament.

And? This is obviously UKIP's mentality - wanting to take us back to the 1950s. I think I shall vote, just to keep these cretins away from any kind of power.

GrumpyBlue · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
You can vote for who you like, but perhaps not what you like.
An amount of legislation / Law (the actual amount is a whole new can of worms) that is passed now come from the EU.
When did you vote for this to happen?

When we elected our MEPs and delegated the voting etc to them

callan · Apr 11, 2014

GrumpyBlue said:
When we elected our MEPs and delegated the voting etc to them

At no point have you voted for political union in Europe...it has never happened.

callan · Apr 11, 2014

MK Shrimper said:
And? This is obviously UKIP's mentality - wanting to take us back to the 1950s. I think I shall vote, just to keep these cretins away from any kind of power.

Sorry?....how could an act voted for in the seventies take us back to the fifties ?

GrumpyBlue · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
At no point have you voted on political union in Europe...it has never happened.

No thats what we have MEPs (and MPs) for otherwise we would have referenda on every single subject

callan · Apr 11, 2014

GrumpyBlue said:
No thats what we have MEPs (and MPs) for otherwise we would have referenda on every single subject

So no then...you have not voted for or against it being ok for Europe to pass laws / legislation / that directly affect the uk.

MK Shrimper · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
Sorry?....how could an act voted for in the seventies take us back to the fifties ?

What I mean is this is obviously how they think. That women don't deserve to be paid the same as men for doing the same job.

GrumpyBlue · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
So no then...you have not voted for or against it being ok for Europe to pass laws / legislation / that directly affect the uk.

Thats why I started my reply with No

callan · Apr 11, 2014

MK Shrimper said:
What I mean is this is obviously how they think. That women don't deserve to be paid the same as men for doing the same job.

What is being said and not just by UKIP, is that if 1973 act needs updating... it is for the member state's parliament ie the UK to decide.
Whats wrong with that??

callan · Apr 11, 2014

GrumpyBlue said:
Thats why I started my reply with No

Do you think its important to have a vote on this?...regardless as to whether you would be a yes or no voter to political union.

Tangled up in Blue · Apr 11, 2014

callan said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25880373

And of course it's not just a question of economics and numbers. There are less tangible effects (of immigration) to consider. The impact on culture, on community, for example - important considerations, which are difficult to measure.[/QUOTE

This,of course,is the essence of UKIP's appeal to Little Englanders.

Personally,I'm always happy to visit multi-racial Britain and to live in multi-racial Spain.

callan · Apr 11, 2014

Tangled up in Blue said:
callan said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25880373

And of course it's not just a question of economics and numbers. There are less tangible effects (of immigration) to consider. The impact on culture, on community, for example - important considerations, which are difficult to measure.[/QUOTE

This,of course,is the essence of UKIP's appeal to Little Englanders.

Personally,I'm always happy to visit multi-racial Britain and to live in multi-racial Spain.

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Does Farage remind you in anyway of Alan Partridge...or is it just me?