Neil Harris

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Caretaker at Millwall after Holloway unsurprisingly sacked

 

[OldBlueLady]

Again? Wonder if he will get the job for real this time.

 

[Ricey]

Really hope he does a good job and gets it full time. Can't stand Millwall but I like Neil Harris a nice guy and a shrimper too. Wish him the best of luck.

 

[Pubey]

What's that? Another inexperienced white ex-pro walking into a top job?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Again? Wonder if he will get the job for real this time.

Only if he manages to keep them up.Remember he was caretaker manager when we beat them 4-1 in the cup.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

9 points adrift, big ask. I guess this move was done to soften the blow of a club legend going down with the ship.

 

[Ricey]

What's that? Another inexperienced white ex-pro walking into a top job?

Why would you bring up the fact he is white?

 

[Pubey]

Why would you bring up the fact he is white?

Because in a multi-cultural sport there are only 3 black managers out of 92. Many black coaches and ex-professionals have publicly highlighted that there are barriers to becoming a manager when you're non-white.

Neil Harris is yet another example of it being relatively easy for someone of a particular 'type' being able to get a top job.

 

[Ricey]

Because in a multi-cultural sport there are only 3 black managers out of 92. Many black coaches and ex-professionals have publicly highlighted that there are barriers to becoming a manager when you're non-white.

Neil Harris is yet another example of it being relatively easy for someone of a particular 'type' being able to get a top job.

But the difference is Neil Harris is a legend of Millwall their highest goal scorer. If their legend and highest goal scorer ever was Carlton Palmer then I'm sure he would have had the Millwall job at some point.

If it was a random club he had no connection to I could see your argument. With Neil Harris getting this job it makes total sense!

 

[Pubey]

But the difference is Neil Harris is a legend of Millwall their highest goal scorer. If their legend and highest goal scorer ever was Carlton Palmer then I'm sure he would have had the Millwall job at some point.

If it was a random club he had no connection to I could see your argument. With Neil Harris getting this job it makes total sense!

People use things like 'he's a club legend' to justify why relatively inexperienced (white ex-pro) get a foothold on the managerial ladder. Non-white-male people aren't getting these opportunities, and therefore non-white managers aren't coming through. If they can't get a gig as a first team coach, or a caretaker manager, then understandably they're not going to get a chance to be a permanent manager.

This is Harris' second attempt after a pretty disastrous first outing.

 

[Ricey]

People use things like 'he's a club legend' to justify why relatively inexperienced (white ex-pro) get a foothold on the managerial ladder. Non-white-male people aren't getting these opportunities, and therefore non-white managers aren't coming through. If they can't get a gig as a first team coach, or a caretaker manager, then understandably they're not going to get a chance to be a permanent manager.

This is Harris' second attempt after a pretty disastrous first outing.

It's not justifying it, it's the truth. When someone who is classed as a legend on the terraces of a club gets made manager/caretaker manager then it attracts the crowd. Just like it will when Henry gets made manager of Arsenal when Wenger leaves you know the inexperienced non-white male walking into a job. Have you ever thought that maybe these non white males don't want the jobs?

Bit harsh on Harris because they were already a sinking ship and when Lomas came in he didn't exactly do much better!

 

[Pubey]

It's not justifying it, it's the truth. When someone who is classed as a legend on the terraces of a club gets made manager/caretaker manager then it attracts the crowd. Just like it will when Henry gets made manager of Arsenal when Wenger leaves you know the inexperienced non-white male walking into a job. Have you ever thought that maybe these non white males don't want the jobs?

Bit harsh on Harris because they were already a sinking ship and when Lomas came in he didn't exactly do much better!

LOL

"Bradbury, a lecturer in young people and sport at Loughborough University, interviewed dozens of current and former players for his report and found that black footballers are especially disinclined to think of coaching as a potential option for when their career winds down. One, whom he prefers not to name, is a 40-something ex-pro who played more than 500 matches at Premier League and Championship level and now holds a Uefa Pro Licence, the highest coaching qualification. He has applied for 43 jobs in football clubs, but only received three interviews.

“He’s absolutely despondent,” says Bradbury. “When he was a younger man and it was becoming apparent he wanted to go into coaching, some of the older black guys said to him: ‘You’re wasting your time, you won’t get an opportunity.’ And he was saying to these guys: ‘No, no, it’s different now.’ But now he’s in the same position and he was saying to me the other day: ‘I hate to say it, but they were right. I was naive. I didn’t think these barriers existed or were as strong as they are.’ The worst thing is when people are appointed to jobs with fewer qualifications and less experience than him and he’s not even granted an interview.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/14/why-so-few-black-football-managers
The Brian Deane story is interesting (and really frustrating) too.

It's not harsh oh Harris. Millwall were an utter shambles when we turned them over. It was a team 2 divisions below.

 

[WightShrimper]

At least our manager is Brown..................well orange.:winking:

 

[Ricey]

LOL



http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/14/why-so-few-black-football-managers
The Brian Deane story is interesting (and really frustrating) too.

It's not harsh oh Harris. Millwall were an utter shambles when we turned them over. It was a team 2 divisions below.

Bradford turned over Chelsea does that mean they are an utter shambles?

Maybe that pro didn't fit the bill of those jobs or have the right attitude. It's all good having the highest coaching qualification but is he the right man for the job? We can't tell as he doesn't name who it was.

 

[Pubey]

Bradford turned over Chelsea does that mean they are an utter shambles?

Maybe that pro didn't fit the bill of those jobs or have the right attitude. It's all good having the highest coaching qualification but is he the right man for the job? We can't tell as he doesn't name who it was.

He wasn't even getting interviewed.

 

[Shrimpin]

What's that? Another inexperienced white ex-pro walking into a top job?

what like Chris Ramsey you mean

Oops sorry Vie just gone on Wikapeadia and have seen that Chris Ramsey is Black

 

[Firestorm]

Harris will be able to go down with Millwall with considerably less fuss as he is a Millwall legend .

The Chairman has thrown in the towel for this season but Harris on board may placate the fans a bit.

And if he manages to keep them up its a masterstroke

 

[SUFC_Ross]

Personally don't understand the sacking, Millwall are down. Holloway has a year left so the chairman's had to pay him around 1 mil in fees why not make him earn that money in league 1 next year?

 

[Stuart W]

LOL



http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/14/why-so-few-black-football-managers
The Brian Deane story is interesting (and really frustrating) too.

It's not harsh oh Harris. Millwall were an utter shambles when we turned them over. It was a team 2 divisions below.

It's scandalous. Yet another heterosexual manager. And he is not disabled either. What is this country coming too?

 

[EastStandBlue]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/14/why-so-few-black-football-managers
The Brian Deane story is interesting (and really frustrating) too.

It's not harsh oh Harris. Millwall were an utter shambles when we turned them over. It was a team 2 divisions below.

That's interesting, as there are only 50 or 60 people with the UEFA Pro Licence, only a limited of number of which can have amassed 500 career apps with some of them having been in the Premier League. By my reckoning, the only person that might be is Terry Connor.