New Stadium

[The Fitter]

I want an all seater with a rectractable floor so as soon as the game kicks off the floor drops and you cannot stand or leave your seat. Just to **** people off.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (CANV @ Mar. 16 2005,15:13)]just build the terrace with the steps sized for seats..  and fit em later if required..  thus saving the club money, as the chances of them ever being required are fairly remote...

The Kombi seating solves that problem as the seats are an integral part of the construction. They simply fold down and over to become terracing :

But I don't think they have the approval of the FLA just yet. It would be nice if Southend United would be the first club in England to have this sort of stand?

WS

 

[CANV]

yes that kombi seating would be perfect but it must be a lot more expensive..
that kind of investment involves the forward planning that i dont think the average football club gets into

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (CANV @ Mar. 16 2005,15:19)]yes that kombi seating would be perfect but it must be a lot more expensive..
that kind of investment involves the forward planning that i dont think the average football club gets into

I can't see it as being any more expensive than creating a section of terracing that could possibly accomodate seating if it were required in the future, such as you suggested earlier. This solves the problem in one cost, rather than two distant costs, doesn't it?

WS

 

[blues_r_best]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Mar. 16 2005,15:24)]

Quote[/b] (CANV @ Mar. 16 2005,15:19)]yes that kombi seating would be perfect but it must be a lot more expensive..
that kind of investment involves the forward planning that i dont think the average football club gets into

I can't see it as being any more expensive than creating a section of terracing that could possibly accomodate seating if it were required in the future, such as you suggested earlier. This solves the problem in one cost, rather than two distant costs, doesn't it?

WS

Why don't we have 3 stands of normal seating and one end behind the goal of that Kombi seating. So whilst in League 2,1 and the Championship we could have the terracing if we wanted.

 

[CANV]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Mar. 16 2005,15:24)]I can't see it as being any more expensive than creating a section of terracing that could possibly accomodate seating if it were required in the future, such as you suggested earlier. This solves the problem in one cost, rather than two distant costs, doesn't it?

WS

totally agree that kombi is the best option.. but all that moving metal must cost more than normal seats.. which in all likelyhood wouldnt even have to be purchased .. im guessing both types of seat would fit onto a normal concrete terrace, the only difference being the size/depth of the steps

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (CANV @ Mar. 16 2005,15:41)]totally agree that kombi is the best option.. but all that moving metal must cost more than normal seats..  which in all likelyhood wouldnt even have to be purchased .. im guessing both types of seat would fit onto a normal concrete terrace, the only difference being the size/depth of the steps

and, although I am no planner, I would guess that the gradient required for the optimum view for seating (and hence the step height) is too steep for health and safety to pass for standing.

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (CANV @ Mar. 16 2005,15:41)]totally agree that kombi is the best option.. but all that moving metal must cost more than normal seats..  which in all likelyhood wouldnt even have to be purchased .. im guessing both types of seat would fit onto a normal concrete terrace, the only difference being the size/depth of the steps

Existing Kombi seat installations have a gradient of 20°, which the FLA agrees is acceptable for standing.

The Volsparkstadion in Hamburg has this Kombi system installed in its North Stand ~ 4,300 seats can convert to a 8,500 capacity standing area. The FLA took a look at this system back in February 2001. Whilst the requirements of the system precluded installation in existing stands, they were content that it could be installed as part of a new construction :

It would be possible to design a new stand capable of taking the "Kombi" seats and removable barriers at an English or Welsh ground, provided that the club concerned took account of the following factors:

a) Because of the row depth required, the system takes up considerably more space than existing non-convertible seating or standing arrangements in England and Wales. In other words, the club would need to build a significantly larger and costlier structure to obtain the same capacity. Alternatively, for example if this were not practicable because of a restricted site, the club would have to accept a smaller capacity.

b) The system works best if it occupies the whole of a lower tier or single tier stand. At Hamburg the "Kombi" seats occupy the whole of the lower tier at one end and in one other corner (some 8,500 and 1,000 standing places respectively). Any seated accommodation behind the "Kombi" seats would have to be elevated because of the spectators standing in front of it. This would have implications for the rake, C values (viewing standards), distance from the pitch and overall size and design of the stand concerned.

c) While it might be possible to install removable crush barriers on a suspended deck, this would be technically difficult and correspondingly expensive. At Hamburg, the decks concerned are ground bearing. The concourses are behind, rather than underneath. This approach requires a considerably larger footprint, which may not be available at sites within a city.

d) The cost of installing both "Kombi seats and removable barriers is inevitably significantly higher than providing only either normal seats or fixed crush barriers. Moreover the manufacturer quoted an all in price (including installation) of £90 per "Kombi" seat (in Germany). By comparison a typical British tip up seat would cost some £20 – 21 to buy and install.

Probably too expensive for us ...

WS

 

[Firestorm]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Mar. 16 2005,16:22)]Probably too expensive for us ...

And added maintenance costs....

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (Firestorm @ Mar. 16 2005,16:28)]

Quote[/b] (Jávea Shrimper @ Mar. 16 2005,16:22)]Probably too expensive for us ...

And added maintenance costs....

Indeed.

OK, scrap that idea ...

WS

 

[TrueBlue]

Quote[/b] ]Is it me or has Trueblue yet again misunderstood a post??

no its you

 

[tomasufc 4eva]

on't Plymouth have a terraced area in their stadium? That is what it looked like when I saw it on the telly one time.

 

[TrueBlue]

thats part of the origional grandstand at home park before the development

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Quote[/b] (tomasufc 4eva @ Mar. 16 2005,17:19)]on't Plymouth have a terraced area in their stadium? That is what it looked like when I saw it on the telly one time.

They do. It dates back to the 1940s and there are plans to demolish it and replace it with 6,000 capacity multi-tiered stand to complete the Home Park project that will eventually enclose the playing field. However there is currently no time-frame as the club do not have the financing to continue ...

WS

 

[J]

terracing all the way.. love it!

 

[Suffolk Shrimper In Dorset]

as long as there is a stanchion in impeding a clear view then I don't mind whether i stand or sit.:)

 

[Shrimper2thecore]

All seater, we canstand in terraced areas when we go to gipo grounds on our away days.

If you want more terraces, support us more away

 

[Javea Shrimper]

Personally I think the "gipo" (sic) grounds have a lot more character than these soulless abominations that have been built in recent years. Gimme the Roots Hall of 15 years ago any day ...

WS

 

[Ron Manager]

Would love terracing but it will never happen sadly.

 

[Beaver]

Quote[/b] (Javea Shrimper @ Mar. 16 2005,15:06)]

Quote[/b] (TrueBlue @ Mar. 16 2005,11:17)]

Quote[/b] ]All seater. Doesn't show much ambition if there's a terrace.

thats why we are thinking of trying to do somthing with the trust so the funds are there should the situation arise!

Does the Trust know?

WS

Errr - no