RIP Maggie Thatcher.

[superblue24]

What makes one person better than the next? If you base it on Money and title you are very sad indeed.

It's not about being "better", it's about being different and having different goals in life.

If the City employed under-motivated layabouts where would the economy be now? How else do you motivate someone to work hard and aspire to progress if not for money? Potatoes? Panini Stickers?

 

[A Century United]

It's not about being "better", it's about being different and having different goals in life.

If the City employed under-motivated layabouts where would the economy be now? How else do you motivate someone to work hard and aspire to progress if not for money? Potatoes? Panini Stickers?

And there you have it. It might surprise you to know that in fact not everyone is a slave to money. While it is undoubtedly useful, and even nice to have, lots of people are motivated by other things in life. Enjoyment of their work, perhaps? The desire to help others and make a difference in people's lives? The desire to be available to help raise their children, instead of seeing them for an hour before bedtime (when mum and dad are already knackered from 12 hours travelling to, and working in, London, for instance) five days a week?

Maggie did a lot that needed doing, but she did much of it poorly and her legacy is a generation which cannot conceive of anybody not motivated by selfishness.

 

[MK Shrimper]

It's not about being "better", it's about being different and having different goals in life.

If the City employed under-motivated layabouts where would the economy be now? How else do you motivate someone to work hard and aspire to progress if not for money? Potatoes? Panini Stickers?

Because they've done so well haven't they with their recessions, rising unemployment PPI and Libor scandals. :thumbsup: Layabouts would probably cause far less damage to the economy than those "motivated" types eh?

 

[superblue24]

Because they've done so well haven't they with their recessions, rising unemployment PPI and Libor scandals. :thumbsup: Layabouts would probably cause far less damage to the economy than those "motivated" types eh?

If that's what you truly think, then you must be of questionable intelligence.

 

[Jam_Man]

It's not about being "better", it's about being different and having different goals in life.

If the City employed under-motivated layabouts where would the economy be now? How else do you motivate someone to work hard and aspire to progress if not for money? Potatoes? Panini Stickers?

Nurses arent attracted by the money and work very hard.

Some people do jobs they want because they like the job....

 

[steveo]

I believe Polly Toynbee trousers over £100k a year writing for The Guardian despite having only one A level. and no degree

Would that not be a reflection of their readership though?

 

[superblue24]

And there you have it. It might surprise you to know that in fact not everyone is a slave to money. While it is undoubtedly useful, and even nice to have, lots of people are motivated by other things in life. Enjoyment of their work, perhaps? The desire to help others and make a difference in people's lives? The desire to be available to help raise their children, instead of seeing them for an hour before bedtime (when mum and dad are already knackered from 12 hours travelling to, and working in, London, for instance) five days a week?

Maggie did a lot that needed doing, but she did much of it poorly and her legacy is a generation which cannot conceive of anybody not motivated by selfishness.

You're now largely talking about this "flexitime" and "work from home" culture that seems to be spreading throughout the City. Believe it or not, the least productive of my meetings occur by conference call when our "Work from Home" parents have screaming kids in the background, and it's always helpful when I'm told that "Dave" is out of the office on Wednesdays when we get a large quantity of work coming through the door.

As for not being a "slave to money", why don't you enlighten me as to what a firm can offer in return for services rendered. Vouchers to Alton Towers? Perhaps subscription packages to Kids TV at home? How about a singing clown? Money is the language spoken in "working" terms and I can't see that changing anytime soon. Person A walks in and asks for 30K per year, but wants two days off work on flexitime, and shorter hours. Person B wants to work Mon-Fri, prepared to work late hours and asks for double....Who gets the job?

 

[Mad Cyril]

Because they've done so well haven't they with their recessions, rising unemployment PPI and Libor scandals. :thumbsup: Layabouts would probably cause far less damage to the economy than those "motivated" types eh?

Possibly. When they are not loafing on sports sites etc......

 

[Mad Cyril]

You're now largely talking about this "flexitime" and "work from home" culture that seems to be spreading throughout the City. Believe it or not, the least productive of my meetings occur by conference call when our "Work from Home" parents have screaming kids in the background, and it's always helpful when I'm told that "Dave" is out of the office on Wednesdays when we get a large quantity of work coming through the door.

As for not being a "slave to money", why don't you enlighten me as to what a firm can offer in return for services rendered. Vouchers to Alton Towers? Perhaps subscription packages to Kids TV at home? How about a singing clown? Money is the language spoken in "working" terms and I can't see that changing anytime soon. Person A walks in and asks for 30K per year, but wants two days off work on flexitime, and shorter hours. Person B wants to work Mon-Fri, prepared to work late hours and asks for double....Who gets the job?

The one with the Masonic handshake.

 

[A Century United]

You're now largely talking about this "flexitime" and "work from home" culture that seems to be spreading throughout the City. Believe it or not, the least productive of my meetings occur by conference call when our "Work from Home" parents have screaming kids in the background, and it's always helpful when I'm told that "Dave" is out of the office on Wednesdays when we get a large quantity of work coming through the door.

As for not being a "slave to money", why don't you enlighten me as to what a firm can offer in return for services rendered. Vouchers to Alton Towers? Perhaps subscription packages to Kids TV at home? How about a singing clown? Money is the language spoken in "working" terms and I can't see that changing anytime soon. Person A walks in and asks for 30K per year, but wants two days off work on flexitime, and shorter hours. Person B wants to work Mon-Fri, prepared to work late hours and asks for double....Who gets the job?

You are quite astonishing in your blinkered view of the world. No, thank you for asking, the words "flexitime" and "work form home" hadn't occurred to me. I wasn't referring to people who still want to earn lots of money whilst giving a nod to family.

It is clearly news to you, but some people choose a career that (whisper it) doesn't pay oodles of money! Some people choose a career because it gives them satisfaction in other ways. You make the astonishing assumption that work is solely about what material reward your employer can offer you. In fact I feel sorry for you, because you come across as very shallow. My brother, for example, studied Economics at Oxford, and got the highest pass in his year - not in his college, but in the whole University. As you might imagine, he could have made a fortune if he had gone into any number of careers, but he chose instead to work with third-world governments helping them to manage projects that actually make a difference to some pretty poor people. Yes, he still makes a comfortable living - but that wasn't what motivated him, and he could have, as I have said, made an awful lot more.

I gave up a reasonably well paid job to move to the North of Scotland because I valued the pace of life, sense of community, wonderful scenery and chance to bring up my kids in person above a few thousand pounds a year more living and working down South. Think about it... there really are some things money can't buy.

 

[londonblue]

It's not about being "better", it's about being different and having different goals in life.

If the City employed under-motivated layabouts where would the economy be now? How else do you motivate someone to work hard and aspire to progress if not for money? Potatoes? Panini Stickers?

Now you're talking...

 

[londonblue]

You are quite astonishing in your blinkered view of the world. No, thank you for asking, the words "flexitime" and "work form home" hadn't occurred to me. I wasn't referring to people who still want to earn lots of money whilst giving a nod to family.

It is clearly news to you, but some people choose a career that (whisper it) doesn't pay oodles of money! Some people choose a career because it gives them satisfaction in other ways. You make the astonishing assumption that work is solely about what material reward your employer can offer you. In fact I feel sorry for you, because you come across as very shallow. My brother, for example, studied Economics at Oxford, and got the highest pass in his year - not in his college, but in the whole University. As you might imagine, he could have made a fortune if he had gone into any number of careers, but he chose instead to work with third-world governments helping them to manage projects that actually make a difference to some pretty poor people. Yes, he still makes a comfortable living - but that wasn't what motivated him, and he could have, as I have said, made an awful lot more.

I gave up a reasonably well paid job to move to the North of Scotland because I valued the pace of life, sense of community, wonderful scenery and chance to bring up my kids in person above a few thousand pounds a year more living and working down South. Think about it... there really are some things money can't buy.

Similarly my brother is a lawyer who works locally. He passed his law finals, and degree, with a score good enough to get a job with a major firm. His view, however, was that he would rather earn a bit less, but have a 10 minute commute, and be able to see his wife and kids (although they weren't born when him and I had this conversation) every morning and evening.

In fairness to superblue24, there was a time when I would have agreed with him. I worked all hours I could for a major investment bank. I was in at 7.30 every morning, having commuted for over an hour. Some nights at the beginning I wouldn't be out of the office before 9.00pm, having rushed down lunch at my desk. Eventually I came to my senses and realised that there was more to life than work. I also realised that for 9 months of the year I didn't see daylight during the week. That happily coincided with me being made redundant.

It's no surprise to me that I met my now wife about 2 months after I left banking...

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Similarly my brother is a lawyer who works locally. He passed his law finals, and degree, with a score good enough to get a job with a major firm. His view, however, was that he would rather earn a bit less, but have a 10 minute commute, and be able to see his wife and kids (although they weren't born when him and I had this conversation) every morning and evening.

In fairness to superblue24, there was a time when I would have agreed with him. I worked all hours I could for a major investment bank. I was in at 7.30 every morning, having commuted for over an hour. Some nights at the beginning I wouldn't be out of the office before 9.00pm, having rushed down lunch at my desk. Eventually I came to my senses and realised that there was more to life than work. I also realised that for 9 months of the year I didn't see daylight during the week. That happily coincided with me being made redundant.

It's no surprise to me that I met my now wife about 2 months after I left banking...

I totally agree that everyone should be able to choose their work/life balance. Just on their own dime.

 

[Cricko]

Maggie did a lot that needed doing, but she did much of it poorly and her legacy is a generation which cannot conceive of anybody not motivated by selfishness.

Give the man a Banana :clap:

 

[Cricko]

Jackanory jackanory jackanory.

Silly response but why not answer why you think things have changed rather than 3 repetitive words.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

To reiterate, I'm sure superblue24, Swiss, steveo etc, like me, really don't give a toss if you wish to make less money by choosing a more relaxed way of life. Just don't bleat about it, and don't expect the hustlers to supplement your income. It's a choice that you're making, and my choice as a prospective employer would be to pick the employee who wants to work and wants to work hard. As for this great sense of community that used to exist? I would suggest that mass immigration, the breaking down of Christian values, and social engineering by quasi-communists are the prime movers, and the blaming of Thatcher for the ills wrought by social liberalism is frankly revolting.

 

[pickledseal]

If you have 10minutes, this video is a very interesting watch: http://youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc

 

[A Century United]

Comment withdrawn.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Also withdrawn

 

[McNasty]

Play nice chaps and let's not go down the religion road --- it's a minefield.