SNP - What next?

[RHB]

For whatever electoral voting reasons we now have 56 SNP MPs in the House of Westminster. Given 'Call me Dave' has a working majority, I'm struggling to see what material difference they will make to the mix apart from putting a far greater focus on Scotland in the media, brassing off the Welsh, N Irish and English by taking centre stage for a while and putting a further strain on the Union.

The end game for the SNP has to be independence so where is the benefit to the current Union. This sounds a bit downbeat, but without the ability to join with Labour to outvote the Gov't I see peripheral politics in parliament being a distraction rather than an a benefit to the mix.

Anyone want to cheer me up on this?

 

[mrsblue]

For whatever electoral voting reasons we now have 56 SNP MPs in the House of Westminster. Given 'Call me Dave' has a working majority, I'm struggling to see what material difference they will make to the mix apart from putting a far greater focus on Scotland in the media, brassing off the Welsh, N Irish and English by taking centre stage for a while and putting a further strain on the Union.

The end game for the SNP has to be independence so where is the benefit to the current Union. This sounds a bit downbeat, but without the ability to join with Labour to outvote the Gov't I see peripheral politics in parliament being a distraction rather than an a benefit to the mix.

Anyone want to cheer me up on this?

PS See its affecting me already, Mods, could you stick this in the politics forum please (Nob mode).

We should remove the Barnett formula,then Scotland will moan.

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

I would like to see an immediate UK-wide referendum as to whether Scotland should remain part of the UK. Let's end this debate once and for all as let's face it, rather like the EU, the SNP will keep on pursuing referendum after referendum until they get the "right" result.

Thanks a lot to the SNP for helping the Conservatives to gain a majority though. :clap:

 

[Swiss Tony]

I would like to see an immediate UK-wide referendum as to whether Scotland should remain part of the UK. Let's end this debate once and for all as let's face it, rather like the EU, the SNP will keep on pursuing referendum after referendum until they get the "right" result.

Thanks a lot to the SNP for helping the Conservatives to gain a majority though. :clap:

Indeed,thanks bravehearts one and all.:raspberry:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Personally, I'm looking to the SNP to show Labour what a real anti-austerity party looks like.

 

[RHB]

Personally, I'm looking to the SNP to show Labour what a real anti-austerity party looks like.

That would be good, but I can't help feeling that anything they do will be with Scotland only in mind, rather than the British in general.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Personally, I'm looking to the SNP to show Labour what a real anti-austerity party looks like.

Are they your new party of choice? You change your mind more often than Russell Brand.

 

[ozzie]

If Scotland go it alone,if things go wrong,then they will only blame the English and then loads will move south of the border ,still moaning and blaming the English..they can only win !!!

 

[Antony Dove]

If Scotland go it alone,if things go wrong,then they will only blame the English and then loads will move south of the border ,still moaning and blaming the English..they can only win !!!

Think it will be the other way around, once these tory cuts kick in.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Are they your new party of choice? You change your mind more often than Russell Brand.

I'm not a Scot but if I were, I'd be quite happy to vote for them.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I really don't care about Scotland as such, if they want independence then let them have it. Let's have devolved Parliaments for each of the four countries of the Union, and a united Parliament for representatives of these four separate entities. Let English MPs decide English matters and preside over a budget for England and so on for the other three. Scottish oil will not last for ever and they can start funding their own free prescriptions and tuition, they'll soon realise it's not all it's cut out to be.

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

Think it will be the other way around, once these tory cuts kick in.

That's right, the English hoards will be marauding northwards to start a new life in the great socialist utopia. :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

Sturgeon's sums didn't add up before the independence referendum (funny how the oil price tanked almost immediately after Salmond's boasts about North Sea oil!), now she wants "full fiscal autonomy", which means that when things go tits up we'll be bailing them out again. The problem with socialists is that they cannot accept that money doesn't grow on trees. Everything has to be paid for which means that yes, there will have to be some cuts. If that's the price we have to pay to avoid saddling the next generations with even more unaffordable debt, then so be it.

 

[RHB]

That's right, the English hoards will be marauding northwards to start a new life in the great socialist utopia. :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

Sturgeon's sums didn't add up before the independence referendum (funny how the oil price tanked almost immediately after her boasts about North Sea oil!), now she wants "full fiscal autonomy", which means that when things go tits up we'll be bailing them out again. The problem with socialists is that they cannot accept that money doesn't grow on trees. Everything has to be paid for which means that yes, there will have to be some cuts. If that's the price we have to pay to avoid saddling the next generations with even more unaffordable debt, then so be it.

Is that all Socialists, or just some of them?

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

Is that all Socialists, or just some of them?

Certainly those who subscribe to the SNP and Ed Miliband doctrine of socialism.

 

[RHB]

Certainly those who subscribe to the SNP and Ed Miliband doctrine of socialism.

Bit like all Tories have no social conscience you mean?

 

[amsemp]

I really don't care about Scotland as such, if they want independence then let them have it. Let's have devolved Parliaments for each of the four countries of the Union, and a united Parliament for representatives of these four separate entities. Let English MPs decide English matters and preside over a budget for England and so on for the other three. Scottish oil will not last for ever and they can start funding their own free prescriptions and tuition, they'll soon realise it's not all it's cut out to be.

Well said OBL. I'm sure Ms Sturgeon will come running back once she's obliterated Scotland's economy and wants some pocket money to tide her over. At least we've got Cameron to keep a close eye on the purse strings now. I'd be slightly worried if Red Ed was in charge. We'd probably end up selling the rest of our gold, the London Eye and Big Ben to break even.

 

[RHB]

Well said OBL. I'm sure Ms Sturgeon will come running back once she's obliterated Scotland's economy and wants some pocket money to tide her over. At least we've got Cameron to keep a close eye on the purse strings now. I'd be slightly worried if Red Ed was in charge. We'd probably end up selling the rest of our gold, the London Eye and Big Ben to break even.

I was no lover of Ed but what is the point of slapping the guy now he has resigned? As for selling stuff off, all parties are pretty good at that it seems to me.

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

I was no lover of Ed but what is the point of slapping the guy now he has resigned? As for selling stuff off, all parties are pretty good at that it seems to me.

No further questions m'lud

 

[RHB]

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No further questions m'lud

What on earth has that got to do with Ed? And I'm sure we could have got a better price for the Post Office, but there you go.

 

[Boreham Shrimper]

What on earth has that got to do with Ed? And I'm sure we could have got a better price for the Post Office, but there you go.

As much as he may try, he cannot disown his former mentor Gordon Brown and the economic policies of the last Labour government. This is off topic for this thread but as the excellent Alan Johnson argues in The Guardian today, it was this arrogant failure to acknowledge past mistakes that cost the Labour party dearly in England.