STURROCK go and do one

[bigmolt]

His style of football doesn't help his cause at all. I'll start the stupid cry's of bring Tilson back, but as we all know that's not gonna happen. If Luggy is willing to play football next season with Harris/benyon and Eastwood up front we can win this **** league. Another season of league 2 is **** and depressing, but other than Sir Steve, who else is there?? Luggy is the man, but he needs to change his thinking.

Who else is there ????
Well for a start there is Kevin Maher, then there is Coughlen and Duncan at the club already. One and three know how the game should be played. And I would be willing to give Coughlen have a go too.

 

[blue79]

Luggy did not bring in Freddy. Gary Lockett did.

 

[bigmolt]

OK say we sack him - who are we going to get that is (a) available and (b) wants the job ?

Peter Duncan, Kevin Maher or Graham Coughlan will do for me.

 

[blue79]

I'm led to believe before Xmas Luggy said to the Board " let me keep this squad together in Jan amnd I'll take you to League 1 next season and to Championship within a further two years". If this is true and I'm sure it is then I do fear for his future . A mtual decision to depart I reckon.

 

[bigmolt]

On par with Tilly I think.

Sturrock is not fit to LACE TILSONS BOOTS.

Thats like saying Gilberts on par with Chris Powell or Dickensons on par with Stanley Victor Collymore

 

[bigmolt]

Injured but he changed the game.

Time and Time again he has been 'dropped/rested' when he makes the team tick IMHO.

If Harris was injured then start him, if he breaks down then take him off and it costs a substitution. By bringing him on as a sub (Substitution 1), what happens if the injury forced him to break down, it's another substitution (Substitution 2). If we had made three subs, then PS is risking us going down to ten men.

Harris being injured doesn't wash with me

Very well put, I totally agree.

Also WHY NO EASTWOOD on Saturday? And wot about that substitution on saturday, him bringing on Leonard. Well I suppose he has got a long throw !!!
Well let me tell you. Mr Surrock wanted to save Harris for pens tonight, And play a defensive four-two-three one on Saturday. Instead of going for it with them both up front. We are better than them but we had to play hoof ball to a five foot eight inch striker and the midfield just watch it going over their heads! I watched one hundred and forty min's of that, then forty min's of us actually passing and moving. Wanting the ball, playing the beautiful game !!

This team can play nice football if he would let them. HE WONT. Time to go now Mr.Sturrock, Thanks for all you have done and good luck in you next appointment except against us.

 

[DTS]

Peter Duncan,

That's a big call. He was pretty decent on Blue Peter but I am not sure he is ready or a league managers job yet.

 

[fbm]

While I agree with many of the points you make(elsewhere in your post):
PS more high profile than Bobby Moore or Arthur Rowley? I don't think so(and I saw PS play at the Nou Camp when Dundee United knocked out Barça).
Paul Clark(twice)and Dave Webb(twice)did a fantastic job for us as managers as did Ernie Shepherd and Dave Smith(not to mention Steve Thompson in his brief spell in charge)along with Tilly(who you seem to have airbrushed from your list).Whether these managers were high profile (or not)is irrelevant(IMO).They all achieved far more than PS has with SUFC.I'm grateful to PS for what he did last season in putting together a team at such short notice and keeping us in L2.This season(by PS's previous high standards) has been a failure.
(psYou didn't mention Ted Fenton.He did all right by us too).:winking:

I'm meaning that PS was high profile as a manager rather than as a player. Moore and Whelan were much higher profile but as players and we were their first football league management positions.

I can't think of anyone who has had as much success and experience in the game as Sturrock has done as a manager who has then come to manage here.

 

[flapjack]

Its the cold light of day for me,yes we got beat over the two legs by a better side who should take all the credit for doing that and good luck to them at wembley and maybe league one next season.Should Sturrock go.....wait and see how Ron takes the finacial loss of no appearence in league 1 or for that matter Wembley.
I agree Sturrock has made some real tactical **** ups this season dropping players and changing the side too often in mid-season at one stage he made 13 changes in 3 games how he hell are you supposed to work with that as a team of players.Also a lot of the players have to take some of the blame on their shoulders as well,everyone can point the finger of blame at Moshni for his antics and behaviour at certain times through the season,but he's not alone there are other players who have gone missing through games and it has cost us over all,so lets take stock and see what happens in the close season I'm as dissapointed as any other supporter,I guess there will be chamnges made.........watch this space

 

[OldBlueLady]

Almost avoided SZ this morning as I did last night as I knew it would be full of the kind of rubbish I've read on here. When you've supported your club (key word being "supported") for as many years as some of us have, then you might appreciate that the kind of roller coaster of highs and lows we've seen this season are fairly typical of supporting a lower league side. Just because we had back to back promotions with Tilson doesn't mean Sturrock "isn't fit to lace his boots". Tilson's side massively over-achieved.....and then paid the price with 2 relegations as the team disintegrated around him. Both are completely DIFFERENT managers, how often were Tilson's tactics questioned on here and in the press? Have people forgotten the frustrations over delaying using subs? His insistence on playing strikers on the wing? Same story, different target.

Sturrock has done an incredibly difficult job well over the last two seasons, I don't buy into the theory that he's only done so because some magical pot of money has been given to him. He's a motivator, and works well with Coughlan doing the physical graft day in day out. The insistence of people in berating him over Blair is tedious in the extreme, haven't I heard - as I'm sure others have - that he's paid when he plays, therefore he's not exactly draining any money? I fully agree that some of the football we've seen this season hasn't been pretty, the hoofball never worked once we lost Dicko, and I'm at a loss to understand how when we'd proved playing to Freddy and Harris's feet recently, we reverted to hoofball in the two play off games however, whether that was down to nerves, inexperience or what, it happened and we have to move on.

I give full credit to Crewe for their gameplan, they closed down and passed the ball so quickly that we were over-run. After looking such a dominant pairing in the middle, Grant and Timlin in particular, found they had no space and made errors, some very silly ones. Mohsni for me has been a major part of why we lost these two games, his form has been poor, and last night he just didn't seem to put in the effort in trying to win headers and flick them on. On his day he can be a match winner, and lacking height as we were, I fully understand why he had to be played, but playing the long ball suited Crewe far more than it did us.

The loss of Phillips was a major blow, and Harris's back injury also a major influence. I'm sure we'd all have preferred Freddy and Harris to start, but with the possibility of extra time and penalties, Sturrock probably felt it was best to keep one of them on the bench. Personally, I'd have started Mohsni up top instead of Benyon and Martin on the wing opposite Hall. You can't blame Sturrock for what he did with Harris and Freddy last night though, it was a wise and precautionary move.

Talking of Mohsni though, isn't he a far more appropriate scapegoat than Sturrock? Hasn't he cost us in the sort of games where we could have won and therefore not had to go through what we did in the play offs? Just a thought.

My opinion is that people need to take a few deep breaths this morning and then look at the season with hindsight and objectively. It's certainly not been bad enough to sack Sturrock, but will Sturrock feel that he's valued enough to stay?

 

[canveyshrimper]

OK say we sack him - who are we going to get that is (a) available and (b) wants the job ?

Martin Allen. :unsure::nope:

 

[Napster]

Talking of Mohsni though, isn't he a far more appropriate scapegoat than Sturrock? Hasn't he cost us in the sort of games where we could have won and therefore not had to go through what we did in the play offs? Just a thought.

No. He won us more games than he lost.

Next.

 

[GregStarz]

Tactics I think were wrong. Artell and Dugdale both wanted it the air and that's what we gave them. When we ot down we had them.

Tactics at Crewe were wrong. Why the **** would you not start Freddy?

Jan signings were abysmal. Martin, Baldwin a total waste of time. Benyon only marginally better.

Nothing to bring off the bench. Never had a right winger all season.

Too much dead wood in the squad.

All roads lead to PS in my book.

Spot on! #hoof

 

[canveyshrimper]

Paul Sturrock has done an excellent job in assembling a decent squad.

Paul Sturrock is also the worst tactical manager I have known at Southend United in more than 40 years!

Christ alive, don't you remember Dick Bate, Peter Morris or Bobby Moore, they though tactics were those little ****ing mints?

 

[Napster]

Andy Scott's available.

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

I appreciate everything Sturrock done for us last season, in making sure we just got a squad together but he isn't the man to take us forward.

Far too many times this season we've come away saying 'Southend didn't turn up' and for the manager to turn around and say 'I just can't quite put my finger on it'

It isn't good enough. We were top for 11 weeks, in the top 3 for 20 odd weeks. To then not go up makes this a poor season!

We had this rally cry on the OS yesterday morning about needing the fans to show up and make loads of noise, blah blah blah.

I've turned up and to every game this season, made loads of noise and contributed to a great atmosphere to be let down all too often.

Last night, once again we didn't turn up. Well, until the last 20 minutes and that still isn't good enough to show up for 1/4 of the tie.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

I wouldnt go that far, he kept us in the league last year.

However I do think that it's time for a change, even when we were top of the league, most on here were miserable.

Luggy took over with just one player before the start of last season, and the pundits had us in the Conference by the end of it. I think it was Steve Claridge who reckoned we were the 'surprise' perfomers.
He aint going to be on the cover of GQ anytime soon, but if he's not done enough to keep his job, then justice has gone to hell in a handcart - and anybody calling for his sacking can jump on it too.

 

[Jam_Man]

His style of football doesn't help his cause at all. I'll start the stupid cry's of bring Tilson back, but as we all know that's not gonna happen. If Luggy is willing to play football next season with Harris/benyon and Eastwood up front we can win this **** league. Another season of league 2 is **** and depressing, but other than Sir Steve, who else is there?? Luggy is the man, but he needs to change his thinking.

Who else is there ????
Well for a start there is Kevin Maher, then there is Coughlen and Duncan at the club already. One and three know how the game should be played. And I would be willing to give Coughlen have a go too.

Awesome suggestion.

Worked so well for Wolves and Blackburn didnt it.

 

[southendkid]

Ignoring all the arguments to keep him or not (I'd personally keep him.) could we actually afford to sack Sturrock and get a new manager? If we sack Sturrock then we'd have to pay him off (unless we go down the gardening leave route again, which would mean paying Sturrock anyway because I can't see him getting another club,) our budget will be smaller next season if what Tara said a few months ago is true about us needing promotion to survive financially. In fact I can't see us challenging for promotion next season for that reason. How are we going to afford paying off Sturrock?

 

[Ayrshire Blue]

Ignoring all the arguments to keep him or not (I'd personally keep him.) could we actually afford to sack Sturrock and get a new manager? If we sack Sturrock then we'd have to pay him off (unless we go down the gardening leave route again, which would mean paying Sturrock anyway because I can't see him getting another club,) our budget will be smaller next season if what Tara said a few months ago is true about us needing promotion to survive financially. In fact I can't see us challenging for promotion next season for that reason. How are we going to afford paying off Sturrock?

We wouldn't need to sack him. He has a rolling contract so you just don't renew.