Syria air strikes

[Tangled up in Blue]

Benn must be now the favourite to oust Jezz,his speech was powerful whilst Jezza looked like a little lost boy.

Unfortunately for you UKIP supporters don't get to vote in Labour leadership elections.

JC is quite safe after yesterday's by-election victory,thank you.

 

[mrsblue]

ISIS are just propaganda? Are you for real.

Think about it !

IS spring up and suddenly they have all manner of weapons with lots and lots of money,The Paris attacks were once again the same MO where the authorities knew exactly who the gunmen were.

IS have killed around 8000 whilst Assad's forces have killed around 150,000 so far.

Now don't get me wrong this IS mob are dangerous ,but are they that dangerous to have several countries bombing them morning noon and night?

 

[rigsby]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ear-old-victim-of-russias-airstrikes-on-syria

Tragic story and who are Russia bombing exactly?

One group would be British born Jihadis . You know the ones that have been going to and from Syria unmolested for a number of years.

Remember all those politicians who refused to do anything in the first place. In the interests of PC of course. When Syrian rebels were begging us to stop the flow of British Jihadis because they knew were it would lead, we weren't prepared to listen But now we want to talk.

Strange old world. Some will say 'but I never voted for bombing'. The fact we all did nothing for years has lead to this point. WE killed that girl just as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb.

 

[MK Shrimper]

One group would be British born Jihadis . You know the ones that have been going to and from Syria unmolested for a number of years.

Remember all those politicians who refused to do anything in the first place. In the interests of PC of course. When Syrian rebels were begging us to stop the flow of British Jihadis because they knew were it would lead, we weren't prepared to listen But now we want to talk.

Strange old world. Some will say 'but I never voted for bombing'. The fact we all did nothing for years has lead to this point. WE killed that girl just as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb.

But it's far from black & white. Those Syrian rebels maybe aligned with Al Qeida - you know, the ones that wanted to wipe us out?

So do we do a deal with one bunch of evil scumbags so we can go out and kill another bunch of evil scumbags?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

One group would be British born Jihadis . You know the ones that have been going to and from Syria unmolested for a number of years.

Remember all those politicians who refused to do anything in the first place. In the interests of PC of course. When Syrian rebels were begging us to stop the flow of British Jihadis because they knew were it would lead, we weren't prepared to listen But now we want to talk.

Strange old world. Some will say 'but I never voted for bombing'. The fact we all did nothing for years has lead to this point. WE killed that girl just as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb.

Were our borders left unchecked to be PC or because the Coalition relaxed border controls to save money?

 

[Beefy]

One group would be British born Jihadis . You know the ones that have been going to and from Syria unmolested for a number of years.

Remember all those politicians who refused to do anything in the first place. In the interests of PC of course. When Syrian rebels were begging us to stop the flow of British Jihadis because they knew were it would lead, we weren't prepared to listen But now we want to talk.

Strange old world. Some will say 'but I never voted for bombing'. The fact we all did nothing for years has lead to this point. WE killed that girl just as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb.

The fact that we can't go a few months without dropping bombs on the Middle East is what has led to this point. Those British born Jihadis are British born Jihadis because we're constantly creating them with our insane foreign policy.

Yes we did kill that girl as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb did.

 

[rigsby]

But it's far from black & white. Those Syrian rebels maybe aligned with Al Qeida - you know, the ones that wanted to wipe us out?

So do we do a deal with one bunch of evil scumbags so we can go out and kill another bunch of evil scumbags?

IF you get the chance read some of John Cantlie's accounts about his trips to Syria and his dealings with the Rebels, who saved him from being beheaded after his first capture by British born Jihadis. You might remember he was the one treated by an NHS London Doctor after his escape attempt.

 

[londonblue]

Not chapter 7.

The wording is clear enough, it says "by any means necessary".

To me, you're just splitting hairs, and trying to find a way out of it. To put it another way, you're just hiding behind the UN, and didn't expect them to even agree that much. All you said was a UN resolution, which you've got. I think it's disingenuous to now say it's the wrong kind of resolution.

You sound like the railways when they complained about the wrong kind of snow.

 

[rigsby]

The fact that we can't go a few months without dropping bombs on the Middle East is what has led to this point. Those British born Jihadis are British born Jihadis because we're constantly creating them with our insane foreign policy.

Yes we did kill that girl as much as the Russian pilot who dropped the bomb did.

Far to easy excuse for the left and its a far to easier excuse for British born Jihadis. What's the difference I say one commits the crime the other turns a blind eye

What part of foreign policy allows or encourages Muslim women to be murdered in their own country, beheading, crucifixion etc. Or young Muslim girls to be raped to death. PC apologists have that crime on their hands. There has not been one single suggestion from any of you lefties on how to deal with British Muslim terrorists.

If we never drop a single bomb in the ME ever again we still have to deal with Jihadis. So after all these threads and posts there must be one man amongst you who will have a single idea about reducing the threat. There's no magical answer but you can't hide forever like a flock of PC sheep.

We left it a bit late for the People of Paris...What about London, there must be something we can do.

 

[mrsblue]

Far to easy excuse for the left and its a far to easier excuse for British born Jihadis. What's the difference I say one commits the crime the other turns a blind eye

What part of foreign policy allows or encourages Muslim women to be murdered in their own country, beheading, crucifixion etc. Or young Muslim girls to be raped to death. PC apologists have that crime on their hands. There has not been one single suggestion from any of you lefties on how to deal with British Muslim terrorists.

If we never drop a single bomb in the ME ever again we still have to deal with Jihadis. So after all these threads and posts there must be one man amongst you who will have a single idea about reducing the threat. There's no magical answer but you can't hide forever like a flock of PC sheep.

We left it a bit late for the People of Paris...What about London, there must be something we can do.

Every terrorist attack 99% of the time the government of that country being attacked know them,novel idea why not round up the guys known and chuck them in prison or deport them back to whatever country they are fighting for.

 

[rigsby]

Every terrorist attack 99% of the time the government of that country being attacked know them,novel idea why not round up the guys known and chuck them in prison or deport them back to whatever country they are fighting for.

For a start your not a leftie and rounding up known terrorists would be to easy and has already worked in the past. I would prefer the long winded actually say nothing answer next time please.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The wording is clear enough, it says "by any means necessary".

To me, you're just splitting hairs, and trying to find a way out of it. To put it another way, you're just hiding behind the UN, and didn't expect them to even agree that much. All you said was a UN resolution, which you've got. I think it's disingenuous to now say it's the wrong kind of resolution.

You sound like the railways when they complained about the wrong kind of snow.

Not just me.All those who've opposed the bombing have argued for a chapter 7 UN resolution from the start.

 

[Beefy]

Far to easy excuse for the left and its a far to easier excuse for British born Jihadis. What's the difference I say one commits the crime the other turns a blind eye

What part of foreign policy allows or encourages Muslim women to be murdered in their own country, beheading, crucifixion etc. Or young Muslim girls to be raped to death. PC apologists have that crime on their hands. There has not been one single suggestion from any of you lefties on how to deal with British Muslim terrorists.

If we never drop a single bomb in the ME ever again we still have to deal with Jihadis. So after all these threads and posts there must be one man amongst you who will have a single idea about reducing the threat. There's no magical answer but you can't hide forever like a flock of PC sheep.

We left it a bit late for the People of Paris...What about London, there must be something we can do.

This isn't a left vs right thing so **** off with that. I'm very, very far from left wing in my political sensibilities. I'm just sick of us making the same mistake time after time after time.

Every single time we do this we make things much worse. International terrorism has gone through the roof since 9/11.

I do not believe that you could care less about the murdered Muslim women in their country or the young Muslim girls being raped. But if for a second we suggest that you do then I'd say that these people were probably safer before we started changing regimes without any plan for the long-term.

Throwing a lot of emotional language and hyperbole around doesn't impress anyone and doesn't make you right in what you're saying and doesn't make it right that we're now happy to kill a lot more innocent people.

 

[rigsby]

This isn't a left vs right thing so **** off with that. I'm very, very far from left wing in my political sensibilities. I'm just sick of us making the same mistake time after time after time.

Every single time we do this we make things much worse. International terrorism has gone through the roof since 9/11.

I do not believethat you could care less about the murdered Muslim women in their country or the young Muslim girls being raped. But if for a second we suggest that you do then I'd say that these people were probably safer before we started changing regimes without any plan for the long-term.

Throwing a lot of emotional language and hyperbole around doesn't impress anyone and doesn't make you right in what you're saying and doesn't make it right that we're now happy to kill a lot more innocent people.

So am I but what is your alternative then.

Western policy.... more waffle..... Best have go at me (I'm not Muslim)...you know you haven't come up with a single answer.

 

[Beefy]

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago:

I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that a situation is extremely complex and that I don't know how we can fix it.

What I do know is that the answer to every problem isn't to drop a bomb on it.

 

[rigsby]

Not just me.All those who've opposed the bombing have argued for a chapter 7 UN resolution from the start.

No doubt al those Parisians diving for cover in the theatre and cafes felt fully protected by chapter 7 UN resolution, I certainly would.

 

[Napster]

I vote for bombs and lots of them. It's the only language they know.

 

[rigsby]

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago:



What I do know is that the answer to every problem isn't to drop a bomb on it.

Apart from Japan of course.

When have I said bombing Syria will solve the UK terror threat.

 

[Napster]

ps regime change, or "rollback" in the US sense, has gone on since the 19th century, ever since "some Britons, opposed to Russian oppression against Poland, proposed in 1835 a coalition that would be "united to roll back into its congenial steppes and deserts the tide of Russian barbarism."" site:wikipedia.org

 

[Benfleet A1]

Think about it !

IS spring up and suddenly they have all manner of weapons with lots and lots of money,The Paris attacks were once again the same MO where the authorities knew exactly who the gunmen were.

IS have killed around 8000 whilst Assad's forces have killed around 150,000 so far.

Now don't get me wrong this IS mob are dangerous ,but are they that dangerous to have several countries bombing them morning noon and night?

You have heard of arms dealers I presume and as ISIS was partly born out of former Iraq officers then it's a fair bet that part of their hardware came from army caches. As for Paris, the MO will almost always be the same, bomb and maim as many civilians as possible and when using assault rifles, shoot as many as possible.

Rightly or wrongly, Assad is killing his own people, ISIS are killing all and sundry and not just in Syria. And yes, I do think they are as dangerous because they are everywhere and Assad is not.