Ukip

[Tangled up in Blue]

Read the Daily Express/Star and vote UKIP.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...mond-papers-ukip-election-result-express-star

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

while we're here, looks like Neil Hamilton wants to run in South Basildon and East Thurrock...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30473388

Kerry Smith has now gone and as Hamilton stepped aside for Smith he could now be standing in Basildon after all......

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30473388
Kerry Smith has now gone and as Hamilton stepped aside for Smith he could now be standing in Basildon after all......

Here's what the BBC made of the story.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30473388


Can't believe Hamilton will get selected myself.As Uncle Leo says, even UKIP know he's electoral poison.

You can listen to the phone call here:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rsts-Ukip-man-sent-replace-Neil-Hamilton.html

 

[Ricky Otto]

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/dec/12/enoch-powell-hanif-kureishi

"Racism is the lowest form of snobbery." Discuss.

Unlike Hanif Kureishi, I was 17 and in the 6th form, when Powell made his famous speech.*

I remember going to the Plough around that time (with a couple of mates from SHC) and getting into an argument with an elderly gent (and his wife) sharing the same table as us, who were staunch defenders of Powell.

He concluded the discussion by saying :-How would you know,you've hardly got the cradle marks off your arse?"

Well, I think I got "the cradle marks off my arse" a long time ago now and yet I still thoroughly agree with Kurishi's remarks on Powell,who is still today a bench mark in GB politics, as Russell Brand confirmed yesterday on QT when he called Nigel Farage " a pound-store Enoch Powell."

For me, nothing has substantially changed in the UK about this debate, except that UKIP voters (and other closet supporters of racism) have got more subtle over the years.

They now talk in coded terms of "caps" on immigration,a quota system and leaving the EU, rather than calling for an outright ban on immigration,as such.










































*(PS I saw Powell talk in person a few years later, during the referendum campaign and was impressed by his intellect,if not by his politics).

Tough one this, if you are arguing that racismhas found it necessary to become more subtle then surely it is because it isnot tolerated as it was? That is progress right? I think things are moving inthe right direction, albeit at a snail’s pace. I’m not even sure Farage is aracist, I think immigrants are a convenient scapegoat but am not sure I’d classhim as racist, I don’t detect any hatred just a misplaced sense of entitlement.To quote Brand once again “Farage’s mates in the city farted and he’s pointingat immigrants blaming them for the smell”, the real problems are something thatbenefit the political class so immigrants are the convenient scapegoat.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Here's what the BBC made of the story.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30473388


Can't believe Hamilton will get selected myself.As Uncle Leo says, even UKIP know he's electoral poison.

You can listen to the phone call here:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rsts-Ukip-man-sent-replace-Neil-Hamilton.html

Yep, he fell on his sword and went before he was pushed. Them be the rules with UKIP, unlike the rest of them. Right, I'm off on a peasant shoot in Chingford, if anyone fancies it then bring your own gun.

 

[callan]

You'll no doubt remember the fat bint on QT last night.

Despite claiming that Canterbury prison was "full to capacity with immigrants" and asserting her area was "overcrowded" (obviously a UKIP sympathiser and presumably voter) she didn't make an overtly racist remark,although she did call for a "cap on immigrants" (which is part of the current UKIP mantra and a coded racist remark).

Allow me to help you out here Barna...HMP Canterbury is full with immigrants...why?...because under Labour they turned it into a prison catering only for foreign nationals, so what the lady stated was fact.

"It isn't prejudiced to worry about immigration, it is understandable" - Ed Miliband

Are you sure that calling for a cap on immigration is coded racism?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24193771

Also why is the ladies weight relevant to you...perhaps some prejudices are ok?

 

[Uncle Leo]

Read the Daily Express/Star and vote UKIP.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...mond-papers-ukip-election-result-express-star

Read The Mirror and vote Labour. Read The Sun and vote whoever Murdoch prefers.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Read The Mirror and vote Labour. Read The Sun and vote whoever Murdoch prefers.

Read The Sunset Times (also owned by Murdoch) and vote Tory. :smile:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Allow me to help you out here Barna...HMP Canterbury is full with immigrants...why?...because under Labour they turned it into a prison catering only for foreign nationals, so what the lady stated was fact.

"It isn't prejudiced to worry about immigration, it is understandable" - Ed Miliband

Are you sure that calling for a cap on immigration is coded racism?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24193771

Also why is the ladies weight relevant to you...perhaps some prejudices are ok?

But the prison was closed in 2013 so maybe the woman was saying there were not enough foreign criminals to keep it open?

 

[callan]

But the prison was closed in 2013 so maybe the woman was saying there were not enough foreign criminals to keep it open?

Or perhaps she was quoting from the 2012 government inspection report?

"The prison held 50% more prisoners than its certified normal accommodation making
it one of the most overcrowded prisons that we inspected."

Or maybe she is familiar with Moj statistics, that quote as follows;

In the last ten years the number of foreign nationals in prison has doubled and now represents over 14% of the total prison population in England and Wales.

Either way AAS I would be very happy to see any evidence that supports the prison was closed due to lack of prisoners.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Or perhaps she was quoting from the 2012 government inspection report?

"The prison held 50% more prisoners than its certified normal accommodation making
it one of the most overcrowded prisons that we inspected."

Or maybe she is familiar with Moj statistics, that quote as follows;

In the last ten years the number of foreign nationals in prison has doubled and now represents over 14% of the total prison population in England and Wales.

Either way AAS I would be very happy to see any evidence that supports the prison was closed due to lack of prisoners.

She was talking as if it was still open so I doubt she had swotted up on various government reports.

 

[callan]

She was talking as if it was still open so I doubt she had swotted up on various government reports.

I think the point she was trying to make (whether Canterbury prison is open or shut) is that we are allowing some foreigners in that are not contributing to our society due to poor / non existent border controls.

The fact that her local prison was over crowded and only catered for foreign national criminals would give her point of view credibility.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I think the point she was trying to make (whether Canterbury prison is open or shut) is that we are allowing some foreigners in that are not contributing to our society due to poor / non existent border controls.

The fact that her local prison was over crowded and only catered for foreign national criminals would give her point of view credibility.

She picked a poor example to by naming a prison that doesn't even exist. Agreed though we shouldn't be taking in criminals from other countries but in their haste to implement public service cutbacks the Coalition scrapped the UK Border Agency and stopped counting people in and out. I don't know who Cameron thought was going to operate his immigration cap, it's as if he was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear in order to get voted in.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What's the EU good for?

1.5 million quid of EU taxpayers dosh for UKIP,that's what.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/16/ukip-eu-taxpayers-cash-new-political-party

 

[Benfleet A1]

Which is a drop in the ocean compared to the daily contribution of 55 million. How much do the other parties get out of it or did that slip your nasty little mind.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Which is a drop in the ocean compared to the daily contribution of 55 million. How much do the other parties get out of it or did that slip your nasty little mind.

It's a fair point. If UKIP want out, perhaps they should hand the money back?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Which is a drop in the ocean compared to the daily contribution of 55 million. How much do the other parties get out of it or did that slip your nasty little mind.

It is a bit calling Santa a ****** and then still expecting him to deliver gifts.

 

[Benfleet A1]

It's not just UKIP though is it. I'm at work at the moment but will try and find the figures later.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It's not just UKIP though is it. I'm at work at the moment but will try and find the figures later.

Everyone with an MEP gets funds from the EU - it's just the irony of an anti EU party getting money from the EU - that's all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Don't tweet if you're UKIP. :smile:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/20/ukip-tells-members-dont-go-twitter-nigel-farage