Ultimatum Time

[Medway Blue]

But where is this investment going to come from? And again why do people think that the Stadium has anything to do with this. The accounts show that the Club aren't paying for the stadium.

I don't think you can separate 'the Club' and RM's companies anymore. It's all pretty much the same, without him officially saying so. The club's money comes from his parent companies, and if his parent companies are paying for the stadium, then the Club is paying for the stadium.

 

[Beefy]

so if he hasnt got the money then why keep spending the money we have got on his stadium dream and not the playing staff??? surely if things are that bad its already on the back burner so why are we even bothering with it at the mo, lets shaw up the team bring alittle bit of something back to the playing staff, then in a couple of years when things are looking back up alittle concerntrate on the stadium then, but for now OUR TEAM NEEDS SOME DRASTIC ATTENTION NOT A RETAIL UNIT AND CASINO, A BLOCK OF FLATS, UNLESS YOU WOULD RATHER GO AND LOOK AT METAL AND CONCREAT EVRY OTHER WEEK?

What money are we spending on the stadium? What would we have spent it on? No doubt there's money committed to buying the shops around Roots Hall but those funds will come from Sainsburys.

We're skint because we've lost £2m two years running. That money has destroyed our cashflow and whilst it's been bridged in the past by loans from the Directors and Parent Company, with the Stadium now not guaranteed to even happen only an idiot would put money in.

 

[CocklesShrimps&Whiteweed]

Maybe the players on the pitch should up their game. They are good enough, just don't seem to want it enough.

I would have said it was the complete opposite.

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

What money are we spending on the stadium?

In the region of six figures on "Stadium Consultancy" so I've heard...

* - edit (by 6 figures, I meant SIX zeroes!!!)

 

[BrettieAngell]

I would have said it was the complete opposite.

What they want it too much?

 

[McNasty]

Maybe the players on the pitch should up their game. They are good enough, just don't seem to want it enough.

I thought that on Saturday but I wasn't there tonight so I can't say if they tried their hardest. I am not sure if , as a team, they are good enough.

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Maybe the players on the pitch should up their game. They are good enough, just don't seem to want it enough.

Why not?. It is in their interests as win bonuses inflate their pay packets. (unless they hav'nt been paid again?). Not knocking Tilson, but motivation and desire come from the management. If this is not forthcoming then maybe they have had enough as well.

 

[Medway Blue]

In the region of six figures on "Stadium Consultancy" so I've heard...

Heard the same.

The Club's money is Ron's companies' money and Ron's companies' money is the Club's money and vice-versa. I think he's blurred the lines between each in order to get the money together for this stadium project.

 

[Beefy]

With no investment it looks like we could plummet down to League 2. Would you be happy with that ? If not, what do you suggest ?

I suggest that we cross our fingers and toes that the Stadium gets the green light asap. Then there might be some room for investment into the squad. Right now spending a single penny more than we have to would be suicide.

At some point in the near future I firmly believe that a League Club will go to the wall. I really think some of you need to look at how desperately the club is clawing at every bit of cash it can get and realise that that Southend United is in seriously danger of being that Club.

 

[KrustyTheKray]

Why not?. It is in their interests as win bonuses inflate their pay packets. (unless they hav'nt been paid again?). Not knocking Tilson, but motivation and desire come from the management. If this is not forthcoming then maybe they have had enough as well.

Perhaps Tilson & Brush have had problems being paid too.

 

[GBJ]

I thought that on Saturday but I wasn't there tonight so I can't say if they tried their hardest. I am not sure if , as a team, they are good enough.

This is a good point. We've got too much crap in the team. Too any players (here on decent wages aswell) just cannot cut it at this level.

 

[Beefy]

I can't remember who said it, so apologies fot that, but it was said that other day and it's spot on.

Tilly doesn't need or deserve ANOTHER relegation on his CV.

He's worked wonders at this club and RM is exploiting that IMO. This gamble he's taking, is getting too close for comfort. We ARE in a relegation battle. No 2 ways about it.

I said it and I stand by it. Relegation is a real possibility because the long term survival of the Club is much more important than short term considerations like which Division we happen to be in. But if such pragmatism is going to be painful for us, it's going to be even worse for Tilly and it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away.

 

[Medway Blue]

This is a good point. We've got too much crap in the team. Too any players (here on decent wages aswell) just cannot cut it at this level.

I think that most of them can. I think a lot of people underestimate the role of morale in our current predicament. As much as bods at the CLub keep talking about 'team spirit', I really doubt that collective morale hasn't been damaged significantly this year, what with lack of investment, best players being sold and wages/bonuses not being paid on time.

 

[palexander]

As Matt Holland said on the Football Show last night - the financial situation at a club DOES get through to the players and its not surprising that it is contributing to their downfall.

 

[Medway Blue]

I said it and I stand by it. Relegation is a real possibility because the long term survival of the Club is much more important than short term considerations like which Division we happen to be in. But if such pragmatism is going to be painful for us, it's going to be even worse for Tilly and it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away.

Yes the long-term is more important. But we can't get relegated. We really can't. That'll be it. We'll be stuck down there, getting attendances 4,000 in a 22,000 seater stadium, high-earners will be chucked and dross on £500-1,000 p/w will be brought in. And worst of all, the one thing that has caused us to suffer this season, the one thing that might cause us to get relegated......will be USELESS. All of this will end up having been pointless. Because at the end of the day, if we're going to drop into L2, get in dross in £1k per week and sit in the bottom half of the table, then we can survive at Roots Hall.

Treading water in League One in the short-term until it's built I can accept. But I'm sorry, relegation would be unacceptable, especially when it can be avoided.

 

[leeblue]

A small part of me wants tilly to go, he is a southend legend no doubt, a fabulous servant as a player and our most successful manager, I adore him..........but seeing him wallow through a river of 5h1t that isnt his doing pains me, it really does, for his own good maybe he should tell ron to shove his player budget up his poop hole, on a purely football front I dont want anyone but tilly in charge of my team but dont want his legend status to be tarnished

 

[CocklesShrimps&Whiteweed]

I said it and I stand by it. Relegation is a real possibility because the long term survival of the Club is much more important than short term considerations like which Division we happen to be in. But if such pragmatism is going to be painful for us, it's going to be even worse for Tilly and it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away.

Yes, and judging by Tilly's comment on BBC Essex a moment ago this could be just around the corner. He was about to say "there's nothing more i can do...." but stopped before he finished the sentence. "boys doing mens jobs" were his choice of words this evening. I think we also have to remember that Tilly loves the club as well. I know I wouldn't want to be at the helm as the club goes to the wall. Worrying times.

 

[GBJ]

I said it and I stand by it. Relegation is a real possibility because the long term survival of the Club is much more important than short term considerations like which Division we happen to be in. But if such pragmatism is going to be painful for us, it's going to b even worse for Tilly and it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away.

At the moment, i wouldn't hold it against Tilly if he walks out. He just doesn't deserve the crap that is happening around him, and as you said, another relegation is definitly something he doesn't deserve.

Don't get me wrong, i'd be dissapointed, but never hold it against him.

As i said RM is totally exploiting Tilly. He knows he has worked wonders in the past and is hoping he can continue to do this by relying on loan signings and cheapies/freebies.

Where it all went wrong (IMO of course) is never replacing players like Gower, Bailey, JCR, Maher etc. Thats when investment should have been made on the team. Instead RM decided the stadium was number 1 priority, and was relying on Tilly to perform miracles year after year through a mixture of his wisdom and loan transfers.

2/3 years later we're in trouble big time.

 

[Smiffy]

Tilly just said ive got boys doing a mans job. They cant do anymore and neither can he. Quite simply his hands are tied and he cant bring the players in he needs to, that will turn this shambles around. Recipe for disaster...

 

[BoyWonder2]

Yes the long-term is more important. But we can't get relegated. We really can't. That'll be it. We'll be stuck down there, getting attendances 4,000 in a 22,000 seater stadium, high-earners will be chucked and dross on £500-1,000 p/w will be brought in. And worst of all, the one thing that has caused us to suffer this season, the one thing that might cause us to get relegated......will be USELESS. All of this will end up having been pointless. Because at the end of the day, if we're going to drop into L2, get in dross in £1k per week and sit in the bottom half of the table, then we can survive at Roots Hall.

Treading water in League One in the short-term until it's built I can accept. But I'm sorry, relegation would be unacceptable, especially when it can be avoided.

Yes relegation would be a nightmare, but I'd rather have a Club to support in League Two next season, than no Club at all.

I think we will stay up this season, I have confidence in the lads, and the management team to ride through the storm, like they have previously.

Who know this time next week we could have brought in another defender and centre forward, and have beaten Swindon and everything will be rosey again.