Theresa May - Dead woman walking?

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Two Tory sex pest ministers have had their suspensions revoked today. It is hoped they will vote for May.

 

[mattitouk]

Most the bookies think she will win, & "quite" comfortably.

I'm going to guess she will get 200+

Either way, it's just been announced that she has made an official statement saying that she won't stand as prime minister at the next general election.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Most the bookies think she will win, & "quite" comfortably.

I'm going to guess she will get 200+

Either way, it's just been announced that she has made an official statement saying that she won't stand as prime minister at the next general election.

Letting her take the flack for the Brexit shambles and having a guarantee that she won't stick around for long after that sounds like a good deal for the Tories right now.

 

[mattitouk]

Letting her take the flack for the Brexit shambles and having a guarantee that she won't stick around for long after that sounds like a good deal for the Tories right now.

Spot on.

Win win for everyone, like you say the Tories remain in power until 2022 and Theresa remains in power for at least another year, if not until 2022.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

she'll win the vote of course but anything over 100 MP's voting against her raises serious questions as to whether she can carry on - nearly a third against you in your own party is surely too many.

 

[OldBlueLady]

This was a poisoned chalice from the very beginning, and one that the men at the forefront of the party didn't want to take on.

There is absolutely no way the Tories can risk a GE so they will back her on this occasion to see them through this total shambles of a Brexit process then probably allow Boris to come sailing in to see Corbyn nicely into touch and out of contention at the next GE.

 

[MK Shrimper]

She stays.

Hobson's choice of a slightly less rightwing PM than Bojo & Rees-Mogg.

 

[mattitouk]

Theresa May had it in the bag, as expected.

She won it by 200 in favour to 117 against.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Dead woman still walking

 

[mattitouk]

It seems the dead woman walking lives another day.

Technically, you could say she is more popular now then when she first won her leadership race for Prime Minster back in 2016, as she received 199 votes back then.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

The DUP are key here, sadly. If she wins them over (somehow, and let’s face it these are not folks who can spell ‘compromise’) then it will be very hard for the extremists in her party to credibly justify not voting for her compromise exit deal.

Fingers crossed Labour call and lose a confidence vote in the government too. She needs to get this thing through, somehow, then let someone else take the reins.

 

[Ricky Otto]

This was a poisoned chalice from the very beginning, and one that the men at the forefront of the party didn't want to take on.

There is absolutely no way the Tories can risk a GE so they will back her on this occasion to see them through this total shambles of a Brexit process then probably allow Boris to come sailing in to see Corbyn nicely into touch and out of contention at the next GE.

Liked that all the way up to Boris

 

[Ricky Otto]

Got that one right.
Was satisfying seeing Rees mogg all flustered afterwards

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

‪Great news for Labour. 117 of her MPs want her gone and they are now stuck with her for a year and her deal until it returns to Parliament. The government are on borrowed time.‬ DUP likely to back a no confidence vote against the government after her deal finally reaches Parliament.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

she'll win the vote of course but anything over 100 MP's voting against her raises serious questions as to whether she can carry on - nearly a third against you in your own party is surely too many.

Rees-Mogg has already said 117 means she should step down. No way will she see it like that.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

‪Great news for Labour. 117 of her MPs want her gone and they are now stuck with her for a year and her deal until it returns to Parliament. The government are on borrowed time.‬ DUP likely to back a no confidence vote against the government after her deal finally reaches Parliament.

She’s been ‘on borrowed time’ for at least 15 months, according to this thread... and yet here she is, still walking.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Rees-Mogg has already said 117 means she should step down. No way will she see it like that.

Nor should she. Corbyn LOST - massively - a vote of the PLP and stayed on. Look forward to him suggesting she should resign at the next PMQs because she’ll tear him a new one (again).

 

[Ricky Otto]

Rees-Mogg has already said 117 means she should step down. No way will she see it like that.

I thought Rees-Mogg came across very bitter that it didn't go his way. He tried to keep the same posh slow calm speaking style of his but he was definitely flustered.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Rees-Mogg has already said 117 means she should step down. No way will she see it like that.

I agree with him - that's over a third of her party who don't want her leading.
She might have shown incredible guts these last few weeks but this is beginning to look like arrogance now.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Nor should she. Corbyn LOST - massively - a vote of the PLP and stayed on. Look forward to him suggesting she should resign at the next PMQs because she’ll tear him a new one (again).

Again? When did she do that before?
Corbyn's no confidence issues were when the PLP saw him as a liability with the public (based on polls), when the public actually had a say Labour got 40% in a GE timed to wipe them out.

Corbyn sees this for what it is - internal issues for the Conservative Party.

Of much more significance for Labour is the Tories being in contempt of Parliament and cancelling major Parliamentary votes after 4 days of debate.

The 'dead woman still walking' thing is in part due to ignoring accepted Parliamentary standards. The unbudgeted £1bn to NI to secure the backing of DUP, the flauting of the pairing system, trying to exclude Parliament on numerous legislation, the losing 3 votes in one day, having to accept changes to the budget, cancelling votes, no party have ever been held in contempt of Parliament in history. Any one of these things would usually see a government fall, this one just ignore such nicities.

While the DUP are bought off she can keep walking but it seems very likely that when the vote that should have happened yesterday actually happens the money won't be enough to keep them on side.