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British Land - New Stadium

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or you could have just cut and pasted it.....

The club’s owner Martin Dawn will build 160 units into the North Stand of the new 21,000-seater Fossetts Farm stadium, in addition to 300 for-sale residential units that will be built as part of the masterplan in nearby tower blocks.
Building homes for rent into the stadium allows the owners to “keep control of the building”, a source close to the project said, describing the move to build PRS directly into a football stadium as “ground-breaking”.
Martin Dawn is also in advanced talks with Hilton to anchor the 131-bed hotel planned for the scheme, which will also be incorporated into the stadium.
The owner will submit a revised planning application next month to reflect the changes, which will also see the retail space upped from 230,000 sq ft to 300,000 sq ft.
British Land is in discussions to forward-fund the retail element of the scheme, but no deal has yet materialised.
 
So it has become a giant housing and retail/leisure complex with an attached stadium. Priorities round the wrong way I feel. This will face huge opposition from residents/businesses and Councillors I think.
 
Smiffy said:
So it has become a giant housing and retail/leisure complex with an attached stadium. Priorities round the wrong way I feel. This will face huge opposition from residents/businesses and Councillors I think.
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The councillors want more residential so they can meet government targets.
 
Smiffy said:
So it has become a giant housing and retail/leisure complex with an attached stadium. Priorities round the wrong way I feel. This will face huge opposition from residents/businesses and Councillors I think.
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If it gets BL interested, and the council agree it, then who really cares about the priorities? My (rather tongue in cheek) issue is that if we have a hotel and flats built into the stadium there might not be any room for any seats!
 
Smiffy said:
So it has become a giant housing and retail/leisure complex with an attached stadium. Priorities round the wrong way I feel. This will face huge opposition from residents/businesses and Councillors I think.
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Yes, it probably will get opposition from various sources, it is up to us to make sure that we contact local councillors and the media pledging our support for this project when it reaches the planning department.
 
The Club could be a little more sensible here, and dramatically reduce the design complexity and size of the stadium bowl, thus in turn dramatically reducing the need to keep persistently upscaling the enabling commercial and retail elements.

I have many ideas, but alas, I'm not part of the consultancy team, so my views are largely worthless.

That would be my advice anyhow.
 
Sherif H said:
The Club could be a little more sensible here, and dramatically reduce the design complexity and size of the stadium bowl, thus in turn dramatically reducing the need to keep persistently upscaling the enabling commercial and retail elements.

I have many ideas, but alas, I'm not part of the consultancy team, so my views are largely worthless.

That would be my advice anyhow.
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and why would you be part of the team? you have mentioned many times on here that you wanted to be involved, the club are not going to let you be involved just because you have an interest in the site and work in the sector! You wouldn't walk up to a random development otherwise and offer help for free, stop being so bitter and live in the real world
 
Chocolardo said:
and why would you be part of the team? you have mentioned many times on here that you wanted to be involved, the club are not going to let you be involved just because you have an interest in the site and work in the sector! You wouldn't walk up to a random development otherwise and offer help for free, stop being so bitter and live in the real world
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Part of my work remit includes pitching and trying to win work, so I never expect to be handed an automatic/God-given right to become involved in a project close to my heart, however, that will never stop me airing my views on this topic, because I have relevant experience in delivering these schemes, and there will always be a possibility that it will take volunteers like me to help this Club off it's knees when the wheels eventually (possibly inevitably) come off once and for all.

15 years and counting now.

Oh, and by the way, the reason I keep airing said views, is because I live so relentlessly in the real world, and I know how difficult this scale of development will be to get through planning, let alone be financed and built.
 
Sherif H said:
Part of my work remit includes pitching and trying to win work, so I never expect to be handed an automatic/God-given right to become involved in a project close to my heart, however, that will never stop me airing my views on this topic, because I have relevant experience in delivering these schemes, and there will always be a possibility that it will take volunteers like me to help this Club off it's knees when the wheels eventually (possibly inevitably) come off once and for all.

15 years and counting now.

Oh, and by the way, the reason I keep airing said views, is because I live so relentlessly in the real world, and I know how difficult this scale of development will be to get through planning, let alone be financed and built.
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You always make it sound like you where disappointed personally because Ron Martin didn't want to work wth you.

Yes i live in the real world also, I understand it will take work to get through development of this scale, but what do you think the development team would of being doing for the past year? Sitting on there arse hoping to get approval? Obviously you know that they would of been working closely with all relevant parties to get a design that suits everyone and most likely to get approved.

Take the chip of your shoulder and start looking forward rather than in the past. Mistake have been made yes and bad decisions etc, but this stadium will happen and we are getting closer and I besiege have the right people in place currently
 
Chocolardo said:
and why would you be part of the team? you have mentioned many times on here that you wanted to be involved, the club are not going to let you be involved just because you have an interest in the site and work in the sector! You wouldn't walk up to a random development otherwise and offer help for free, stop being so bitter and live in the real world
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Ask him what he does for a living, stupid.
 
Benfleet A1 said:
Ask him what he does for a living, stupid.
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Don’t call me stupid, that is uncalled for. It is clear what he does for a living, he mentions it enough on this and other threads. As I said, just because he does that for a living doesn’t mean he can expect the club to work with him.
 
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According to the ECHO Southend United's new football ground could be bigger than anticipated, with 160 SHOP UNITS built into the stadium.

Are they sure they have got that report right?

ECHO said:
Southend United's new football ground could be bigger than anticipated, with 160 shop units built into the stadium

SOUTHEND United FC’s proposed football ground move could be bigger than originally anticipated, it has been claimed.

According to Property Week, the Fossetts Farm plans could be even greater in size, with 160 shop “units” built into the north stand of the 21,000 seater stadium.

These would be in addition to flats already planned in three surrounding tower blocks.

The trade magazine says the homes for rent at the stadium will allow the owners to keep control of the development.

Plans were unveiled to the public last year, with the first phase including 35 retail units, a 12 screen Cineworld, 10 restaurants, and 240 apartments in three tower blocks.

The first phase included three sides of the stadium, while the second phase, included a 134-bedroom hotel, which will be attached to the west stand, will have 48 rooms doubling as private viewing boxes on match days.

It will also contain a conference suite for more than 900 people.

A plaza outside the stadium will have a huge plasma TV, pre-match entertainment and fast food.

Property Week also speculated that there were advanced talks with the Hilton in regards to the hotel.

A spokesperson for Hilton said: “Hilton is in an exciting phase of growth, and we’re exploring a number of locations across Essex and the UK in which to introduce our brands.

“However, we currently have no confirmed projects in Southend.”

According to the trade magazine, a revised planning application will be submitted next month.

It will reflect the changes, which will also see the retail space planned increase in size from 230,000 square feet to 300,000 square feet.

The club, which has been planning a move to Fossetts Farm for more than 15 years now, got Government approval for the scheme back in 2008.

Yet plans stalled as Sainsbury’s, which was then backing the club, suffered setbacks.

There has been much speculation over the plans over the years, including over when it will begin.

The Echo contacted the club for comment, but they declined at this stage."
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Link

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/151...into_the_stadium/?ref=mr&lp=9#comments-anchor
 
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