does university make you into a lefty

[Moridin]

As 2 months arrears are required then I'm surprised it reached court!!

It's a minimum of two months to grant a mandatory eviction, however she tried on the late payment and some rent owing (Grounds 10 and 11 if you're interested).

The Judge said he wouldn't award eviction before we sat down, and said she would have to pay the costs as I provided her with proof.

Waste of everyones time really!

 

[number11]

When I was signing on between December and April, I gave one week out of every four of my JSA to charity, £30 to Shelter and £30 to Action on Addiction.

I also did voluntary work in a Domestic Violence refuge for about 15 hours a week.

It did impact on my life, it's quite difficult to manage on £120 a fortnight, especially the cost of Public transport to get me to interviews.



Maybe an 'opt-out' type agreement may be an idea, it could be argued that the pressure on public services would be reduced.



Personally, I've always given part of my income to charities, and completed voluntary work in my spare time to help out those in need.

That is how far I go, but I am indeed a lefty mug.

I have never worked for a privately owned business either.

I do accumulate savings, as living in a society that is unforgiving to those in need, I have had a private Landlord serving me with a notice and taking me to court for eviction as she didn't want to wait four weeks for Housing Benefit to be paid for example, you simply have to have some cash behind you or the problems become insurmountable.

Although I am no fan of socialism, I completely respect people that commit to that ideal and act accordingly, but just find some who act with double standards (ie like the socialist ideals when they are benefitting and it is costing someone else money ) a bit distasteful.

 

[number11]

It's a minimum of two months to grant a mandatory eviction, however she tried on the late payment and some rent owing (Grounds 10 and 11 if you're interested).

The Judge said he wouldn't award eviction before we sat down, and said she would have to pay the costs as I provided her with proof.

Waste of everyones time really!

Ha, more fool her then for going for discretionary grounds and not waiting!

(Though I actually think the rules should be tightened more in the landlord's favour but that's for another debate!).

 

[Moridin]

Ha, more fool her then for going for discretionary grounds and not waiting!

(Though I actually think the rules should be tightened more in the landlord's favour but that's for another debate!).

That's exactly what I said :D.

Surprisingly enough, I would agree with you on tightening the rules to an extent.

Working for Housing Associations over the years, I have had judges grant Suspended Possession Orders on over a years worth of arrears, providing the tenant pays the rent plus £3.00 a week, the tenant then defaulting, me trying to fix a date for position, and the Judge suspending it again...

I had one suspended last week on over £4000 worth of arrears.

So much for mandatory possession.......

Think I'm going a bit :offtopic:

 

[BalmainShrimper]

Equally, does that mean a true socialist should never accumulate any savings or expensive consumer items as, believing in the redistribution of wealth, they would be happy to pass over some of their excess disposal income to those in need?

Regarding forcing someone to go private, would you still want to tax that person that you are making go private, or will you be removing their contribution from public funds?

I'm a self confessed leftie, and I also pay a lot of taxes (even more in Australia 46.5%!) and I use the private health system...and I'm happy to fund the public system too through my tax.

The NHS is a wonderful thing. Try living in a country which doesn't have a universal healthcare system which is free, no questions asked. It gets expensive very quickly! Try watching Michael Moores "Sicko" for an insight.

My theory is that in the long run a healthier nation = a wealthier nation = more opportunities and better quality of life for me and my family, so I'm happy to invest.

Similarly for education. I got all that university education for free, and I got a grant to go there. I figure the UK government's had a good return on that investment in the taxes I've paid since, and had it not been free, there's no way my parents could have afforded to fund me.

 

[Rob Noxious]

I'm a self confessed leftie, and I also pay a lot of taxes (even more in Australia 46.5%!) and I use the private health system...and I'm happy to fund the public system too through my tax.

The NHS is a wonderful thing. Try living in a country which doesn't have a universal healthcare system which is free, no questions asked. It gets expensive very quickly! Try watching Michael Moores "Sicko" for an insight.

My theory is that in the long run a healthier nation = a wealthier nation = more opportunities and better quality of life for me and my family, so I'm happy to invest.

Similarly for education. I got all that university education for free, and I got a grant to go there. I figure the UK government's had a good return on that investment in the taxes I've paid since, and had it not been free, there's no way my parents could have afforded to fund me.

Couldn't agree more...well said, BS! :clap:

 

[number11]

Similarly for education. I got all that university education for free, and I got a grant to go there. I figure the UK government's had a good return on that investment in the taxes I've paid since, and had it not been free, there's no way my parents could have afforded to fund me.

Where do you stand on University fees now out of interest? To me, with the proliferation of newer Uni's / former Polys, and reduced requirements to get in, having it for free is just not sustainable.

Regarding the NHS, I just can't see how forcing people who can afford it to go private, yet still fund the NHS can be fair policy. I thought FS was suggesting it hypothetically so was surprised it found support!

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Define left-wing.

 

[number11]

Define left-wing.

Ricky Otto - defintive left winger.

(groan...I'm sorry.....).


But it's an interesting point. From this thread and similar it seems the division between lefties and righties comes down to their views on the following;

Taxation, Benefits, free trade, privatisation, immigration, toughness on crime, state intervention..... (Im sure there are others.... )

 

[Uncle Leo]

Define left-wing.

Arjen Robben. Although Real play him on the right too.

It's just so confusing isn't it?

 

[Napster]

Mark Gower. And he believed in the redistribution of wealth, although this was mainly to the casinos.

 

[BalmainShrimper]

Where do you stand on University fees now out of interest? To me, with the proliferation of newer Uni's / former Polys, and reduced requirements to get in, having it for free is just not sustainable.

Regarding the NHS, I just can't see how forcing people who can afford it to go private, yet still fund the NHS can be fair policy. I thought FS was suggesting it hypothetically so was surprised it found support!

I think university fees are an absolute disgrace. Saddling young people with debt before they've even graduated is a terrible policy, then encouraging them to take out loans to pay for it. In light of the credit crunch fall out it's not really setting a good example eg Education on the never never.

I'm not sure the expansion of the university system has actually raised standards? It's probably too early to tell. My suspicion is that there's probably more graduates chasing the same number of jobs as before. What I do believe is that education should be open to all, regardless of how much money you have, but should be restricted on the basis of academic achievement. I always thought Uni was there for those who had the potential/ability to progress academically, rather than a lifestyle option.

On the NHS, perhaps there's a learning from Australia. If you have private health insurance you can claim a tax rebate from the NHS equivalent. It's about $1500, which kind of covers 60% of your insurance costs roughly speaking, and of course you still have access to the public services.

For me, the thing that Britain can be most proud of is that Beverage et al invented this thing called the welfare state after WW2 and it's still there, regardless of which party has been in power. It really does set the UK apart - just look at what Obama is having to do to reform the US healthcare system. There's something fundamentally "right" about providing free essential services to all, for the benefit of the nation as a whole. If that's socialism then so be it.

 

[number11]

I think university fees are an absolute disgrace. Saddling young people with debt before they've even graduated is a terrible policy, then encouraging them to take out loans to pay for it. In light of the credit crunch fall out it's not really setting a good example eg Education on the never never.

I'm not sure the expansion of the university system has actually raised standards?

My view was that the expansion of the university system does nothing to raise standards and if you didnt have fees then you are just encouraging people even more to have an extra 3 years of their lives on the **** whilst scraping a 2:2 in some generic degree they thought would be a doss. Maybe they haven't struck upon the correct structure for them yet, but at least fees make people think twice about going or whether getting a job is better for their career (and often it is) and whether to do a worthwhile course and how much work they put in when they go so they view the fees as an investment in their future and not just 3 years where you can get away with wearing the same pants for 5 days!

 

[Rob Noxious]

There's been some very interesting stuff talked about here, and I think it typifies some of the countervailing viewpoints we have on the Zone. The bottom line is though that we all would like what's left of the public services to be doing a good job and investing in the future for young Shrimpers. Back to Martin's original thread title though & I would have to say I cannot blame anyone other than Tom Robinson for my lefty-ness, armchair or otherwise. Tom and his band's gig at The Music Machine in Camden in the spring of '78 changed my life forever. I've been supporting lost causes ever since then...socialism, Southend and decency...but I do know that the only cause worth dying for is a lost one...

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

There's been some very interesting stuff talked about here, and I think it typifies some of the countervailing viewpoints we have on the Zone. The bottom line is though that we all would like what's left of the public services to be doing a good job and investing in the future for young Shrimpers. Back to Martin's original thread title though & I would have to say I cannot blame anyone other than Tom Robinson for my lefty-ness, armchair or otherwise. Tom and his band's gig at The Music Machine in Camden in the spring of '78 changed my life forever. I've been supporting lost causes ever since then...socialism, Southend and decency...but I do know that the only cause worth dying for is a lost one...

Im sorry but the only cause really worth dying for is your family.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Im sorry but the only cause really worth dying for is your family.

I'm sorry but I disagree with this. There are fundamental aspects of liberty and justice that when push come to shove, so to speak, one has to take that ultimate of stands and perhaps be prepared to lay your life on the line. WWI and WWII are both testament to that.

I respect your opinion but I am truly glad and indebted that this country didn't have a population and leadership of like minded citizens when it came to making that choice in 1914 and 1939.


:hijack: sorry

 

[Rob Noxious]

Im sorry but the only cause really worth dying for is your family.

Maybe...I was just trying to be sardonic though! :stupidme:

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

I'm sorry but I disagree with this. There are fundamental aspects of liberty and justice that when push come to shove, so to speak, one has to take that ultimate of stands and perhaps be prepared to lay your life on the line. WWI and WWII are both testament to that.

I respect your opinion but I am truly glad and indebted that this country didn't have a population and leadership of like minded citizens when it came to making that choice in 1914 and 1939.


:hijack: sorry

And if a person was brave enough to have fought in ww1 or ww2 would they maybe have not been fighting to protect thier family from invaders
,i think so.
And i to am glad that this country didnt have a population or leadership of the same mind as myself for my mind is devoid of any decent thoughts but alas i felt that the statment that the only cause worth fighting for was a lost one was a bit lame,if a war came along i would only fight to protect my family and not to protect profits or oil,sorry.

 

[OldBlueLady]

And if a person was brave enough to have fought in ww1 or ww2 would they maybe have not been fighting to protect thier family from invaders
,i think so.
And i to am glad that this country didnt have a population or leadership of the same mind as myself for my mind is devoid of any decent thoughts but alas i felt that the statment that the only cause worth fighting for was a lost one was a bit lame,if a war came along i would only fight to protect my family and not to protect profits or oil,sorry.

What you apologising for Tony, those are the best reasons - you fight for what you believe in and family is the best reason in the world.

 

[Hotman]

And if a person was brave enough to have fought in ww1 or ww2 would they maybe have not been fighting to protect thier family from invaders
,i think so.
And i to am glad that this country didnt have a population or leadership of the same mind as myself for my mind is devoid of any decent thoughts but alas i felt that the statment that the only cause worth fighting for was a lost one was a bit lame,if a war came along i would only fight to protect my family and not to protect profits or oil,sorry.

make you right fella, that is the only reason most would go to war in my opinion.