Our next manager

[davewebbsbrain]

I have no doubt that Sturrock has respect in football, but to say that Brown has none is a bit of a sweeping statement without any evidence to back it up mate.

I didn't say none, he will never have the kind of respect that Sturrock has earnt. Have you seen some of the bits on twitter from players and what they have to say about Brown?

 

[AndyT]

Some good points, above.

I think 'DWB' has it right about Sturrock. He did work wonders. We were in an absolute mess when he took over.

On Tilly, I think he probably should get more credit for what he achieved. I don't think luck played a part. I think he played in a system under Webby that he knows worked. 4-4-2 with two wide midfield players, a provider and a goalscorer upfront.

He then actively sought to bring in the players he wanted for each role and played the same system.

At Lincoln, he inherited a hoofball side and struggled to get them to play the way he believes he wants his teams to play.

He never set-up to nullify the opposition. He, like Webby, just set-up to simply be better than the oppo, doing what we do best.

His one mistake was to start bringing in championship players, instead of sticking with the team that got us there. It kind of unraveled from there, sadly and we spiralled into debt and loan players. The rest is history.

I joined the forum when he was sacked. My first post was in support of him. They were great times back then. The 3-3 draw with Norwich still ranks in my top three all-time matches. Roots Hall was absolutely rocking that night. Tilly had got us there.

Sturrock did a great re-build job and Brown, for all his faults, has us 11th in League One. We really are on the up. Not in the same way we were under Webby and Tilly, but in-between those two great managers, we've had some dire ones, as well.

I believe in being thankful for what you've got.

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Sturrock never had the funds that PB has been given. Sturrock had to go out and get players on a shoestring a week before the season started and those players kept us in L2. Had it not been for Sturrock we could easily be where Leyton Orient are now. If you want to thank anyone for our league standing then thank Sturrock.

Sturrock is and will always be a more personable human being than Brown. Sturrock has the respect of people throughout the footballing world, something that Brown will never have

That just shows that it's all personal to you. You've hated Brown because he took over from Sturrock. I agree Sturrock did excellent in rebuilding an entire squad and respect him for that. So why can't you respect Brown for getting us promoted and establishing us as a league 1 side? It's a personal obsession to hate him. I hope I'm wrong but you genuinely give the impression that you would rather we lose so you can slag off Brown. Brown is a complete idiot at times and obviously get things wrong but he has taken the club forward since he started. League positions are evidence you cannot argue with.

 

[TTS]

and what a surprise people turn it into a Brown Bash thread, how very tedious !

Why are we talking about Sturrock and Brown on a thread regarding the "next manager".

For what its worth, I think we needed both Sturrock and Brown, Sturrock did what he needed to do, stabilise us, give some identity back, but also, I think he over achieved as well. His football wasn't my cup of tea, but I will hold his time with us in such high esteem, he saved our Club. Brown, took on and progressed what Sturrock started ...

Now, the next manager, if indeed Brown goes, for whatever reason, needs to build on what we have and before people bleat on regarding ages of squad etc, what do we have now again is a identity in football, we do have good youngsters, both in the match day squad and coming through. We also have a chairman that supports his managers. People say Sturrock had a shoestring, but Ron gave him every inch of that shoestring. PB has been supported, but also, the TV deal now, allows him more support.

We need a manager to be able to bring big players to a Club, that still needs to move onto the next step.

For me, I want a manager who gets his hands dirty, I don't buy into this "old players" please, I just want a manager that's best for the Club, not best for the emotional side of the Club. Brown is the latter and for me, he has still taken the Club on, so the next manager needs to do much of the same.

Move this thread back on to topic, quickly !

 

[davewebbsbrain]

That just shows that it's all personal to you. You've hated Brown because he took over from Sturrock. I agree Sturrock did excellent in rebuilding an entire squad and respect him for that. So why can't you respect Brown for getting us promoted and establishing us as a league 1 side? It's a personal obsession to hate him. I hope I'm wrong but you genuinely give the impression that you would rather we lose so you can slag off Brown. Brown is a complete idiot at times and obviously get things wrong but he has taken the club forward since he started. League positions are evidence you cannot argue with.

I never ever want us to lose, I hate it when we lose. So you are wrong there

 

[davewebbsbrain]

and what a surprise people turn it into a Brown Bash thread, how very tedious !

Why are we talking about Sturrock and Brown on a thread regarding the "next manager".

For what its worth, I think we needed both Sturrock and Brown, Sturrock did what he needed to do, stabilise us, give some identity back, but also, I think he over achieved as well. His football wasn't my cup of tea, but I will hold his time with us in such high esteem, he saved our Club. Brown, took on and progressed what Sturrock started ...

Now, the next manager, if indeed Brown goes, for whatever reason, needs to build on what we have and before people bleat on regarding ages of squad etc, what do we have now again is a identity in football, we do have good youngsters, both in the match day squad and coming through. We also have a chairman that supports his managers. People say Sturrock had a shoestring, but Ron gave him every inch of that shoestring. PB has been supported, but also, the TV deal now, allows him more support.

We need a manager to be able to bring big players to a Club, that still needs to move onto the next step.

For me, I want a manager who gets his hands dirty, I don't buy into this "old players" please, I just want a manager that's best for the Club, not best for the emotional side of the Club. Brown is the latter and for me, he has still taken the Club on, so the next manager needs to do much of the same.

Move this thread back on to topic, quickly !

Is Brown style of football your cup of tea? It really isn't mine, it's hardly exciting to watch

I think Sturrock was quite attacking in his style of play. I know it looked long ball and to a certain extent was but the knock down to the wingers bought other players into the mix. Plus we got to see Blair in action :smile:

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

I never ever want us to lose, I hate it when we lose. So you are wrong there

Thats good to know. But about the rest I'm right then. I'm glad we cleared that one up.

 

[TTS]

Is Brown style of football your cup of tea? It really isn't mine, it's hardly exciting to watch

I think Sturrock was quite attacking in his style of play. I know it looked long ball and to a certain extent was but the knock down to the wingers bought other players into the mix. Plus we got to see Blair in action :smile:

Sorry, some of the football last season under PB was superb and also the season before in spells. Our football at time under PB has been far better than it was under Sturrock, again, I am not knocking, nor have I ever knocked Sturrock, I though believe PB's football in spells, some long spells, have been excellent to watch and I know I am not alone on this forum in thinking that.

But again, on to the 'next manager', I truly hope that he wins the majority of the fan base, because as I've said on other threads, Roots Hall can be a toxic place at times, which really doesn't help the players on the pitch.

I do agree with the Blair comment, that was worth its comedy gold .......

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Brilliant, Yorkshire Blue's original idea of a cleverly disguised anti PB thread (complete with demagogic deleting of posts) has been hi-jacked by a Sturrock and Tilly love fest. :hilarious:

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Is Brown style of football your cup of tea? It really isn't mine, it's hardly exciting to watch

I think Sturrock was quite attacking in his style of play.

Are you serious, PB's style of play is generally far, far superior to what PS did (although PS was hindered by the financial squeeze in play here when he joned)

 

[markw]

For all the people saying Barrett, I love the guy but what has he ever done at management level?

Last time i checked Millwall are hardly flying and he isn't even manager there!

Maher would seem the logical replacement, but again we had 40 pages on how he managed a team that lost 7-3 to Billericay!

The cowley brothers would be great, but 6 months in when our tactic is to smash the ball long to ranger/rhead and hope, the moaners will be out in force again.

I say all this, i'm still not sure who would come to us as a replacement!

 

[Napster]

Next season's manager will be Graham Coughlan.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Next season's manager will be Graham Coughlan.

Ha! Been a long time since the Chairman last promoted from within the club.

 

[Napster]

we need someone like this guy>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...rks-free-has-lead-sutton-united-fa-cup-third/

 

[AndyT]

Brilliant, Yorkshire Blue's original idea of a cleverly disguised anti PB thread (complete with demagogic deleting of posts) has been hi-jacked by a Sturrock and Tilly love fest. :hilarious:

It's all about spreading the luuurve.

Our work here is done! :cool:

 

[Rob1920]

I havent read all 7 pages so apologies if mentioned elsewhere but I reckon a lot of it will come down to whether the stadium gets the nod in December (I think thats when the council meeting is supposed to be happening?). If its all systems go, and assuming we're not in the relegation zone by then, I reckon there'll be a new improved contract for PB based on the income the new ground will generate, meaning we can continue paying decent wages & attract 'better' :whistling: players.

However, if the stadium is a no or is likely to continue to drag on, and assuming we're not in the top 6, I think PB's time may be up. In this scenario I can't see how we can carry on paying big wages indefinitely. RM will have to look for a lower cost alternative who will prune the squad and build a cheaper one.

 

[Jam_Man]

Would you want to apply for the job with the following requirements ;

- Guaranteed Cup Run
- Brazilian Football
- Breed a team full of youngsters from youth and never lose them to Premier League set ups, whilst also keeping all has been legends happy at the Club and bringing in experienced players, at the peak of their ability from higher leagues, whilst also taking all the talent from Non League
- Season on Season improvements ( well this is a given considering every game must be won )
- Must be popular with 100% of the fan base and Chairman alike
- Gets all players to sign long term contracts, regardless of their ambition to play at a higher level
- Never have the audacity to aspire to better things and never show ambition to be interested in Clubs bigger than Southend or the England set up
- Must never ever lose the dressing room, or appear to. Must be popular with every single player, now and that he has ever managed

.... think that about ticks all the boxes ....

Do we reckon Southend can get the above ..

Fingers crossed

Thats pretty much the requirement at every club, not just ours.

 

[RHB]

I didn't say none, he will never have the kind of respect that Sturrock has earnt. Have you seen some of the bits on twitter from players and what they have to say about Brown?

Of course I have. I've also seen abusive social media comments on the Queen, the pope, the Prime Minister, Donald Trump and many more. I've also seen praise on social media for all of the above including Brown. The point I'm making is that people only tend to go on social media if they have something to arse ache about. There will also be people who don't say much because they are content or nearly content with a situation. Often football managers offer up praise about Brown when asked. I could go on but I would take us even further off topic and that geezer Yorkshire Blue would sanction me, so time to stop.

 

[Hawkwell Blue]

So much like a thread that bangs on about how wonderful Brown is and anti Brown supporter hijack it. Here is a thread that is discussing what happens when Browns contract is up and the do Gooders come on and try to make people believe its an anti brown thread. The only people making it anti Brown are the actual Brown supporters.

How ironic eh

Out of interest how does this make someone a "do Gooder"? Is it because they have a different opinion to you?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Out of interest how does this make someone a "do Gooder"? Is it because they have a different opinion to you?

I thought do Gooder was polite. Compare that to pro Brown posters who tend to label anti Brown posters as clueless or idiots. I won't lower myself to that level