Should corporal punishishment return?

[londonblue]

news item last week,class of 10 students aged 15/16ish with 4 voting yes.

when asked why,they replied "it would be good to keep discipline"

must admit it surprised me as well.

That's hardly a big enough sample to start quoting numbers from...

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Beat the living **** out of the little *****.

 

[Uncle Leo]

news item last week,class of 10 students aged 15/16ish with 4 voting yes.

when asked why,they replied "it would be good to keep discipline"

must admit it surprised me as well.

I bet they just answered like that to appear responsible. Put their arses on the line (literally and figuratively) and they'd disagree I'm sure.

 

[graysblue]

my little story,

attended secondary at king john,then at aged 13 we moved to tilbury.

king john back then was about uniforms and manners and learning,the kids at the tilbury school could not understand why i wore a dark suit and spoke okayish as they wore ben shermans and such like.

1st few days i became the fun of jokes with kids saying crap as "snooty" or "posh kid".

1 tosser in particular made my 1st week hell,tripping me in corridors and in general being a bullyboy.

my old man advised me to sort the fecker out,so i waited for him whilst holding a piece of 2x1 not heavy enough to maim but the right weight to hurt.

as mr bully boy approached me with a massive sneer and yelling "what you going to do with that" my 1st swing hit him on the top of his shoulder ,i noticed his sneer had gone to be replaced by fear,my second swing caught him flush in his big gob which instantly made him cry his eyes out and claret streamed from his face.

as the bully tosser lay on the deck he begged me "no more" and he never touched me ever again.

bullies are tossers and sadly some kids today bully teachers ect they need a taste of their own medicine.

 

[canveyshrimper]

As an ex King John Old Boy I've heard it described as many things, but never about manners, although the old Head Fritz could lay it on with the cane if you transgressed. I found that where he was concerned disctretion was definitely the better part of valour.

 

[graysblue]

As an ex King John Old Boy I've heard it described as many things, but never about manners, although the old Head Fritz could lay it on with the cane if you transgressed. I found that where he was concern disctretion was definitely the better part of valour.

king john 68/70 was worlds away from st chads tilbury.

 

[Lester Bangs]

Give some power back to the teachers, at the moment kids know they are untouchable. I say bring back the cane and the odd back hander.

I know Grange Hill is a kids program but I have the first 4 series on DVD. The teachers are tough on kids and they dont answer back. As a kid of the 70's and 80's I would never answer back fo fear of a bit of a kicking.

Society is crumbling and normal service does need to resume including kids knowing their place.

 

[Firestorm]

my little story,

attended secondary at king john,then at aged 13 we moved to tilbury.

king john back then was about uniforms and manners and learning,the kids at the tilbury school could not understand why i wore a dark suit and spoke okayish as they wore ben shermans and such like.

1st few days i became the fun of jokes with kids saying crap as "snooty" or "posh kid".

1 tosser in particular made my 1st week hell,tripping me in corridors and in general being a bullyboy.

my old man advised me to sort the fecker out,so i waited for him whilst holding a piece of 2x1 not heavy enough to maim but the right weight to hurt.

as mr bully boy approached me with a massive sneer and yelling "what you going to do with that" my 1st swing hit him on the top of his shoulder ,i noticed his sneer had gone to be replaced by fear,my second swing caught him flush in his big gob which instantly made him cry his eyes out and claret streamed from his face.

as the bully tosser lay on the deck he begged me "no more" and he never touched me ever again.

bullies are tossers and sadly some kids today bully teachers ect they need a taste of their own medicine.

And back in my day quite a few teachers were bullies who were allowed to hit kids too.

I too have a similar story, The small geeky one with glasses who was in the top set, seen as fair game to most . A group of kids used to go round harrassing others , nothing much, except when they got to me one of this group knew me (Through our parents being friends) and decided to take it further. He was considerably bigger than me and he gave be a few slaps. I stood up to him and had a go back (In front of his mates) so he had another go, I took the blows and had another futile go back. In the end he completely lost face as his mates pulled him off.
he had another go a few weeks later by throwing me out of a classroom window. I got up went back in and carried on as normal. After repeating this several times he again lost face and I was left alone for the rest of my time at school, many of the group came up to me afterwards to talk to me about what happened and a joke and a laugh about it led to my bully effectively being seen for what he was and losing the "mates" he was trying to impress, whilst I gained respect for ,maybe being a bit plucky or maybe being a lot stupid, but not for stooping to the level of the bully

In my experience the respect gained without using violence lasts longer than the respect gained with violence.
I certainly respected the teachers who were "generous " with the cane at damn site less than those who spared it

 

[graysblue]

in my case it sent out a simple message to others

dont mess with me and i wont mess with you.

the way i see it and taking it to a bigger stage.

nuclear weapons means every country knows its total wipe out in the event of nuclear war hence they have verbals but nothing else.

yet countries without these weapons are picked on wether they deserve it or not.

 

[Firestorm]

yet countries without these weapons are picked on wether they deserve it or not.

Yep Often by those with the WMD's who do not want anyone else to have them.
That in my book makes them bullies, al be it ,well
armed bullies

 

[Mad Cyril]

When i was 13, i got the cane...or whack as we called it back then, by a teacher called Mr Longhurst who was an X - Mr Universe. They had to call your parents to ask permission which was a problem for Mr Longhurst as he had to call the parents of the entire form tutor for 3SL boys as we all par took in throwing gerbil food at the stand in RE teacher....it was a classic, on the count of 3, 2, 1, from the back of our tutor room which was a science lab, we all threw handfuls of he stuff and it rained down on him like you would not believe.

Getting the cane for that was more like wearing a badge of honour.

Mr Longhurst used to wear skin tight short sleeve shirts and rip them by flexing.

I remember him catching a pair of fools heating up the door handle of the metalwork class with a brazing torch.

Summary justice was dispensed without notifying the parents in this case.

 

[graysblue]

we had a PE teacher called jonesy,he was a huge rugby playing mother fecker who sorted out kids on the spot

this guy hated to be called taffy and normally went berserk,one PE lesson he said "right lads we are playing rugby" this guy proceeded to cream every kid with mental tackles.

like a coward i refused to play alongside several others.

feck that crap.

 

[fredheim_holm]

I wouldn't say bring back the cane personally. I'd definitely say allow teachers to be harsher though, stop over protecting the student.

 

[londonblue]

Mr Longhurst used to wear skin tight short sleeve shirts and rip them by flexing.

I remember him catching a pair of fools heating up the door handle of the metalwork class with a brazing torch.

Summary justice was dispensed without notifying the parents in this case.

My school had some rooms with strange door handles that had a button to press rather than a handle that you turn. One of my friends blue-tacked a drawing pin to one of these door handles whilst we were in the room, so anyone that left would impale their thumb on the pin. Guess who the next person to enter the room was? Yep, you've guessed it, the headmaster! My friend spent the next couple of minutes frantically trying to remove said pin before the headmaster left. He crawled on the floor and was kicked by every kid in the class. Unfortunately he removed it and returned to his desk in time.

 

[Nobby Snide]

Beat the living **** out of the little *****.

subtle and understated as always mate

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Mr Longhurst used to wear skin tight short sleeve shirts and rip them by flexing.

I remember him catching a pair of fools heating up the door handle of the metalwork class with a brazing torch.

Summary justice was dispensed without notifying the parents in this case.

He was a rather large chap....but what a tart. I know that he definitely called my parents because when i got home i got clout from my dad

 

[OldBlueLady]

Ok, little item some of you may have seen in various papers at the weekend - the old boy in his 80s that stepped in to deal with a couple of tearaway types intent on smashing their way into a jewellers....brave or foolish?

Why are so many people scared to interfere in any situation for fear of their own safety? Obviously because people have so little respect for human life that they deem it to be expendable and an acceptable consequence of getting involved. If a bit more discipline had been applied in their formative years they would probably have grown up with a less complacent attitude to murder. There is a million miles between abuse and sensible corporal punishment, and no-one is advocating abusing children as a punishment. What I still say is that a little well chosen use of corporal punishment in schools would have a far better disciplinary effect and help to focus the children/students on the realisation that they are minors and that those in a position of authority within the school are not their best buddies, which is the kind of concept too much wishy washy liberalism over the last 20 years or so has tried to create. Teachers are there to impart learning, if you don't wish to learn why should you have the right to disrupt everybody else's? If you can't hack it, then accept the consequences.

 

[Swiss Tony]

Or maybe it will give the impetus to the "bad" kids to get their heads down?

Catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

****e does the trick as well.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

***Cough****

12:24pm

;)

 

[graysblue]

going slightly off topic.

as well as the cane i personally think for the hardened toerags,ie the divs who think its ok to shoplift ,assualt innocent people ect bloody birch em!!!

no need for expensive lawyers to defend them,no need for prison terms as that cost us all bundles,and possibly no repeat offending.

works well in singapore.