Stan Collymore Statement.

[Mad Cyril]

And so it begins. Fans slagging each other off.

And being unfollowed on social media.

 

[Napster]

never trust a bloke that continuously talks about himself in the third person -

Napster agrees

 

[sufc4life21]

Bet any money brown would of voiced his displeasure of stan being involved to ron.

3 big ego's was probably not going to work I'm afraid.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

Ron and PB may have offered Stan to much responsibility ?

The point is nobody knows. Nobody knows what was said and why Stan has made this statement. But it won’t stop people assuming and start chucking blame.

 

[Gustafferson]

Bet any money brown would of voiced his displeasure of stan being involved to ron.

3 big ego's was probably not going to work I'm afraid.

This is such a load of nonsense words fail me.
How would any of what @stan collymore has suggested over the past month be in any way incompatible with how Phil Brown operates? It isn't as though he's having signings taken away from him or forced down his throat? So come on, what exactly is it about Phil Brown that gets on your goat? (This isn't just at you sufc4life21, anyone can answer lol)

I can speak from experience, Phil Brown is a lot more respectful and level-headed as a man than a lot of folks give him credit for

 

[NZamba Legend]

It never was a clear path and there was zero guarantee of success.......Plenty of clubs have CEO's and a DoF and it ends in disater.

If anyone hinted it was Stan. His CEO was better than Rons
He would not have appointed PB (does anyone think what little talent we do have would hang around until July to see who is manger)
The final straw for me was Mangers come and go and loads are sacked but thats ok if you have DoF.....one that has signed the players and decided a style of play and presumably when to sack the 'coach'

OK great but that depends on who that DoF is and what experience he has......Talk radio doesn't count for me.

Lets flip it on its head. If Stan had been appointed manager and a week later Ron said he would get PB in as DoF.......What would happen here on the Zone?

I get that PB's opinion in all this is really important. As stated earlier he was approached to be the manager. He should be trusted to get on with that job.

But we do need a management structure to cope when, yes, it's time to change the manager again. Because that will happen, hopefully not too soon, but it will. The last few times we've been in this position it has been a disaster. Bad decisions have been made, it's always taken far too long and has cost us points on the field.

Ron needs sound football advice and a process to follow when he makes these decisions, or preferably someone else should be making those decisions entirely. I think that a CEO and a 'football person' (DoF or whatever you want to call it) with clearly defined roles can work, even at our level. In fact, its probably easier to implement in basic form at our level.

You don't need a DoF who gets involved in everything (heck, we have Ron for that, signing ex-players or suggesting certain players should or shouldn't be in the team) or someone who is committed to one particular style and I don't think they should independently sign players.

But there should be someone to say, 'no, we're not going to spend money on Luke Hyam, Jacob Mellis, etc.'. Someone or a committee should properly control a budget rather than us lurching from not paying the players and embargo to offering top L1 wages for John Akinde.

A DoF (or whatever) doesn't need to be high profile or an ex-player. But having someone sensible and organised in this role is preferable to having Harry Redknapp on the end of the line to offer advice to a rudderless RM who has just sacked another manager he had hoped would be the saviour of the whole club.

With all of this said, RM may well propose a structure of RD- DoF, New CEO and PB - manager that does all of the above.

 

[overseas shrimper]

Would like to hear Rons side, before judgement

Problem is, he's lost so much credibility with so many supporters of the club, most wouldn't believe his side of the story anyway. I'm one of them.

 

[8]

Why do you think that? You were seriously pinning all your hopes on a former player who said lots of nice things but then quit on your twice when the person who is funding the whole club didn't agree with him?

Look I think Martin has made some awful decisions for you lot over the years and your fans were very slow to rise up and protest against him but your chance of success now are intrinsically linked to his. He fails - the club probably goes into admin and comes very close to folding. He succeeds then you guys have a chance of a solid club without him. You guys NEED Martin (albeit and improved version that employs well and let's football people do football things without interference whilst he pays the bills on time)

Stan is a celebrity that you guys got excited about and I can see why but he came along at your lowest ebb and said a few nice things. He won't be your saviour - a good CEO can make a big difference but not Stan the self promoting egomaniac

Think you are wrong. It does not matter that it was Stan. Somebody was galvanizing the fans. Could of been anyone for all I care. As supporters we are too passive and should be causing more of a fuss and force change. However, this shows that Martin will not change. He will continue to work the same way with the same results. Even a CEO will not be able to have much control. Martin is an egotistical fool and will never relinquish his hold on my club. Do you really think a CEO will mean we get out of National league quickly. Martin has done it again. The peasants are revolting, @Oh I know lets entertain Stan till it quietens down and then I can carry on as normal.

 

[GDM]

Stans stopped following loads of fans on Twitter

I've stopped following Stan on twitter...

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I can almost guarantee that Phil Brown was the one who decided he didn’t want someone else having a say in the footballing side of the club.

It makes sense, he’s cutting out a potential “no you shouldn’t spend £3500 per week on X as he’s 33 with an injury record longer than my forearm”.

Amazing that a manager who has been permanent for a week has that level of control. We need a club structure above PB as we learned last time. This should have been Ron’s decision to make.

This was always the problem with doing it this way round and is why we shouldn't have rushed into appointing Brown. We needed to set the structure up first and then appoint the manager to work in it.

But this is what we should have done last summer with the big gap between Sol's departure and Molesley's appointment.

We all know what happens now: players signed under one manager aren't suited to the style of the next manager and are paid off at great expense. The new manager then wastes money on signing over the hill players on big wages who need to be moved when we go in a different direction in 18 months' time. It's hugely inefficient and a big factor behind our current financial woes (and bad reputation).

 

[in the know]

Here's a strange story (analogy)....
I use to have a gardener and someone that sorted my dogs out. What a never ending job ...the dogs keep pooing on the grass non stop, the grass keeps growing non stop and the dogs bark because theyre not being taken out for walks or looked after properly and allsorts is happening to the lovely grass I used to have!.
After a while the neighbours started Discussing about the state of the garden, the smell of the poo building up. I looked after it all myself after I sacked the dog carer and gardener. I think I did it really well once a week. Yeah it was a bit smelly and overgrown where it gets neglected in-between but I thought it was all ok. Must admit, if I go on holiday and leave it for a few weeks, when I come back its in a terrible state. Takes me a while to catch up with it all and I think the poo has killed off the grass roots permanently. Don't know how Ill get it back good again.
On top of all that, Ive got my mind set on moving to a new build place and was thinking Ill do it all properly when I get there and have the help then.
Then a guy in the neighbourhood Ive known for a while said he could help me. He knew a dog carer and gardener and apparently they would do it all daily and do it really well. Says he knows a lot of people as hes done it all before for others. Apparently even when Im not around it would all still get done. The guy said he would introduce me, sort it all out for me and for a few bob would keep an eye on them all the time.
Love the idea of it and I know the neighbours would be so happy and stop Discussing. Trouble is I sacked the gardener and dog guy to save money and thought id wait until the new place is ready.
I guess I could keep the neighbours happy if I get the guys in maybe temporarily, just for a little while. (Wont tell them that obvs- Ill say 2 years or something)... Make it look like Ill keep it going. That'l stop them Discussing !
Oh hang on a minute tho….just looking at how much this is all going to cost!! Damn! Im not going to save money for myself like this! 3 people to do what I can do so well myself!! Perhaps I can get away with 2 for a little while, then just 1, or maybe just keep it as it was. The neighbours will quieten down and Im on holiday for a few weeks soon so who cares! Ill sort it when im back.
Can you see what I did there.....

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

No, heard enough of his lies to last 3 lifetimes.

Look where it has got us so far, a non league football club ?

The trick is hearing what he says so that one can work out what he means.
We all know the 'code', and also that which gets left out is equally telling.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Maybe and I’m hope I’m wrong that it was all for “self publicity” as a few fans suggested before.

I think he might have chosen a more prominent club if that was the goal.
Stan has said many times over the last 20 years his happiest time in football was with us.

 

[Andyhsufc]

DoF operationa role may have worked if MM was here but was not going to work with PB. The manager role is sorted; if we get a decent CEO in then I am happy.

 

[GDM]

Your the type of fan Ron loves. Enjoy next season lining Ron’s pockets, make sure to get a programme and a burger at half time too just for good measure.

Bit harsh there! We all have levels, I'm buying 3 season tickets like lee blue, why? Because watching Southend play overwrites everything else...Good on you for boycotting, I'm sure there will be load like you, as there will be loads like me and lee blue...lets not have a go at each other for their choices though hey?
P.S. I won't be getting a Burger as the unidentifiable smell of them makes me actually gag?

 

[nevereatwhitesnow]

Think you are wrong. It does not matter that it was Stan. Somebody was galvanizing the fans. Could of been anyone for all I care. As supporters we are too passive and should be causing more of a fuss and force change. However, this shows that Martin will not change. He will continue to work the same way with the same results. Even a CEO will not be able to have much control. Martin is an egotistical fool and will never relinquish his hold on my club. Do you really think a CEO will mean we get out of National league quickly. Martin has done it again. The peasants are revolting, @Oh I know lets entertain Stan till it quietens down and then I can carry on as normal.

In my humble opinion the right people were actually galvanising the fans - your people - SOS - a group of people that care only for your club and not celebrity or ego.

I don't think it was his fault but Stan's involvement actually diluted your protest and ended up being an apologist for Martin - he made fans believe that Stan could control and influence Ron to do "the right thing" and that Stan's choice of a CEO would solve all your problems.

I've said many times over the years that I thought Martin was your problem and I think that was true perhaps 5 or 6 years ago - but he's a high stakes poker player in this now and he's fully pot committed - he isn't going to walk away unless he receives an offer he can't refuse (unlikely now) wins the game (get's the stadium and housing) or loses - ie the whole thing collapses and you lot go into admin.

Getting the media on board with your plight showing fans passion was your best chance for change (in terms of how club may be run)

 

[NZamba Legend]

This is such a load of nonsense words fail me.
How would any of what @stan collymore has suggested over the past month be in any way incompatible with how Phil Brown operates? It isn't as though he's having signings taken away from him or forced down his throat? So come on, what exactly is it about Phil Brown that gets on your goat? (This isn't just at you sufc4life21, anyone can answer lol)

I can speak from experience, Phil Brown is a lot more respectful and level-headed as a man than a lot of folks give him credit for

I agree. And It would be strange if PB wasn't just a little bit sceptical about aspects of the restructuring, especially with RM overseeing things. And PB has gone on record as saying that it became harder to manage the club once we lost the CEO position. So he's not some kind of one-man-band footballing dinosaur.

My (uninformed) view is that RM has always been keen to engineer a position whereby SC doesn't gain any serious influence. He knows many people will think it is Brown that has caused the 'fall out' and is probably quite comfortable with that.

 

[ItsMichaelBlack]

In the grand scheme of things there’s more to life than football. Ok yeh so your team wins a league or a cup then what ? What does it all mean ? What does anything mean, why are we all even here ? Nothing really matters we all end up in the ground eventually. Football is it really important ?

 

[ColinMorrisWalksOnWater]

Tough one to take first thing on a Monday morning. Feels like the rug has been pulled from under our feet and certainly a lot of hope has been taken away, whatever your point of view.

As has been said, 3 big egos was always going to be tough. Also, SUFC 's reputation is lower than a snakes belly in the game and if the majority of negotiations end like this, then it is hardly surprising.

Interestingly, looked like Stan had already started on the role, as per his post on Friday where he mentioned already passing player recommendations to the manager and Ricky. At the same time that is where I first smelt the scent of doom, so to speak, with the reference to "the manager" and "Ricky", to me it was a sign that PB and Stan might not see eye to eye.

I am disappointed, very, to be fair and the only thing I would say, is it is sometimes easier to effect change from inside an operation, rather than outside an operation. Stan had achieved objective number one, get inside the operation is some form.

STAN? I don't expect an answer to this, but I am going to put the question in print anyway, and I do not want or expect you to quote anything Ron had said in this email, or the Thursday negotiations, but if you do happen to read this:

What change fundamentally changed a stance of "I want to be involved in whatever meaningful role" to an "it's all over stance" ?

Surely, if a change to the role still meant involvement, could you not have bided your time, let this change pan out and if it wasn't working, then go again for a change, whilst having Ron's ear as an titled advisor/employee? If it did yield any success, with you being involved in the club, you would have cemented your position with the fans that were with you all the way, converted some of them that may have had doubts and definitely increased your standing with the fanbase overall, therefore giving Ron more to consider regarding the footballing side and effects on his negotiations. Whereas now he can continue untethered, probably to the detriment of the club and the vast majority of fans on here, whatever your points of view, all of which everyone is entitled to voice.

As I said earlier, I am very disappointed at this outcome to say the least, whether it would have worked going forward or not we will probably never know, but to me we need change of some sort at SUFC after the past 5 or more years on and off the pitch and this was certainly an opportunity that felt to be a positive one.

It just feels to me like we will continue on this downward spiral, maybe with a few little peaks on the way.

Lastly, a big thanks Stan to giving something a go and the effort you put in.

 

[Shrimper]

Looking for the announcement of Ron's son as CEO