STURROCK go and do one

[CocklesShrimps&Whiteweed]

I would say last night was my lowest point as well actually, just because some of us may not be old enough to have been around as long as you doesnt mean we can't have opinions on when we feel we have had a low point in our years of supporting southend.

At what point in my post did I express that others were not entitled to an opinion? Where? The point I was making is that there has been a massive over-reaction to a 'lottery' situation. Besides, I take it you've been going long enough to remember the situation our club was in a little under two years ago? Wouldn't you consider that to be a lower point than finishing fourth with a huge points tally?

 

[Paul Shrimper]

We are not exactly Chelsea and able to sack a Manager just because we finished 4th in the League. Whatever contract he is on it will cost money and probably more than the club can afford.

We were beaten by a side that wanted it more (according to their performances). We need to regroup take a rain check and then decide what is needed for next season. The budget will be smaller. There will be a high number of players available on free transfers very soon (If we need to replace any).

I am not a Sturrock supporter but from a business view cannot really see how the club can afford to just sack him.

I am sure the Loanees will be cleared out with some others and then PS will take stock as to what he needs to attack League 2 next season.

Regarding away days perhaps Fleetwood in September or York (assuming they win their Play Off final) could be great places to visit but not for the football.

I will be back next season. The real question is Will You?

 

[canveyshrimper]

We are not exactly Chelsea and able to sack a Manager just because we finished 4th in the League. Whatever contract he is on it will cost money and probably more than the club can afford.

We were beaten by a side that wanted it more (according to their performances). We need to regroup take a rain check and then decide what is needed for next season. The budget will be smaller. There will be a high number of players available on free transfers very soon (If we need to replace any).

I am not a Sturrock supporter but from a business view cannot really see how the club can afford to just sack him.

I am sure the Loanees will be cleared out with some others and then PS will take stock as to what he needs to attack League 2 next season.

Regarding away days perhaps Fleetwood in September or York (assuming they win their Play Off final) could be great places to visit but not for the football.

I will be back next season. The real question is Will You?

 

[canveyshrimper]

League Two Champions 2012/13 it is then.

We'll do the double and win the Paint Trophy.

 

[Beefy]

We'll do the double and win the Paint Trophy.

I want the FA Cup.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I want the FA Cup.

You're just bloody greedy. :hilarious:

 

[GregStarz]

I haven't felt this gutted in a long time, in fact I think the last time was when I went to Notts County in the Anglo Italian Cup and we lost on penalties (again stopping us from reaching Wembley)

All this season I've said, we're winning but it's shocking to watch and many said that this is what Sturrock does to get out of the league but in L1 he changes, well quite frankly he's ****ed it up then!

I haven't enjoyed this season tbh, outclassed by Swindon twice, 2 Wembley trips missed and also a visit to Anfield, albeit wasn't quite as fussed at that one.

In the grand scheme of things, Sturrocks football isn't pretty and having two decent forwards up top (Eastwood & Benyon) trying to win longballs all game is embarrassing especially when Crewe and co pass around and open us up with ease. Mohsni isn't a winger so why play him there when we play longball?!

Anyway, I've had enough and I'd say thanks Mr Sturrock but it's time to move on for all our sakes, we need a fresh start next season with good football on the grass. If say we had Di Canio we we would have gone up easily, he plays the game the right way!

Also unless we start a fresh I think attendances next season will be shocking, who wants to go through all that again?! Id rather spend my money on my daughter and family.

The only thing that kept me going this year was the switch to the North Bank to be honest, the football was poor.

I'm sure people will agree and disagree but this is my opinion.

Oh well
UTB

 

[ooh-andy-ansah]

I haven't felt this gutted in a long time, in fact I think the last time was when I went to Notts County in the Anglo Italian Cup and we lost on penalties (again stopping us from reaching Wembley)

All this season I've said, we're winning but it's shocking to watch and many said that this is what Sturrock does to get out of the league but in L1 he changes, well quite frankly he's ****ed it up then!

I haven't enjoyed this season tbh, outclassed by Swindon twice, 2 Wembley trips missed and also a visit to Anfield, albeit wasn't quite as fussed at that one.

In the grand scheme of things, Sturrocks football isn't pretty and having two decent forwards up top (Eastwood & Benyon) trying to win longballs all game is embarrassing especially when Crewe and co pass around and open us up with ease. Mohsni isn't a winger so why play him there when we play longball?!

Anyway, I've had enough and I'd say thanks Mr Sturrock but it's time to move on for all our sakes, we need a fresh start next season with good football on the grass. If say we had Di Canio we we would have gone up easily, he plays the game the right way!

Also unless we start a fresh I think attendances next season will be shocking, who wants to go through all that again?! Id rather spend my money on my daughter and family.

The only thing that kept me going this year was the switch to the North Bank to be honest, the football was poor.

I'm sure people will agree and disagree but this is my opinion.

Oh well
UTB

I think a lot of people feel this way.

Last night was Sturrock's chance to prove the doubters wrong, he failed. Long ball after long ball to a central defender playing on the wing.

I'm sure some will still defend him though.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

I haven't felt this gutted in a long time, in fact I think the last time was when I went to Notts County in the Anglo Italian Cup and we lost on penalties (again stopping us from reaching Wembley)

All this season I've said, we're winning but it's shocking to watch and many said that this is what Sturrock does to get out of the league but in L1 he changes, well quite frankly he's ****ed it up then!

I haven't enjoyed this season tbh, outclassed by Swindon twice, 2 Wembley trips missed and also a visit to Anfield, albeit wasn't quite as fussed at that one.

In the grand scheme of things, Sturrocks football isn't pretty and having two decent forwards up top (Eastwood & Benyon) trying to win longballs all game is embarrassing especially when Crewe and co pass around and open us up with ease. Mohsni isn't a winger so why play him there when we play longball?!

Anyway, I've had enough and I'd say thanks Mr Sturrock but it's time to move on for all our sakes, we need a fresh start next season with good football on the grass. If say we had Di Canio we we would have gone up easily, he plays the game the right way!

Also unless we start a fresh I think attendances next season will be shocking, who wants to go through all that again?! Id rather spend my money on my daughter and family.

The only thing that kept me going this year was the switch to the North Bank to be honest, the football was poor.

I'm sure people will agree and disagree but this is my opinion.

Oh well
UTB

I genuinely fear that many hundreds of Roots Hall regulars will spend their money on other forms of lesiure.
Results are crucial but so is quality of product. The quality has been atrocious.

 

[Beefy]

Barnet almost went down playing pretty football. We score goals and we score a lot of them. That seems to me to be half the battle.

I think if we'd won a few more home matches then people would feel better about the quality of play (and, obviously, we'd have been promoted...!). Most people only see us at Roots Hall where we tended to produce the odd abject performance.

 

[C C Csiders]

Talking of Mohsni though, isn't he a far more appropriate scapegoat than Sturrock? Hasn't he cost us in the sort of games where we could have won and therefore not had to go through what we did in the play offs? Just a thought.

Please reveal the league games where Bilel Mohsni has cost us points? Don't say Morecambe away as the majority of the blame there lay at the genitals of the Bonkgate Three.

 

[Fairport]

Sacking Sturrock after gaining 83 points would be harsh but if you look at his record in the last 23 matches, won 9, drawn 4 and lost 10, this is not even top half of table form. This despite him supposedly strengthening the squad during that time.

 

[Greebosan]

What did cost us automatic promotion was his being too slow to realize that the rest of the league had figured our route one football out by December/January time and he took til' March to bring some fresh tactics into the side. For that he does need to be criticised, but the fact he got us up there in the first place outweighs this error in judgement.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Don't panic lads, I have it all in hand. Sturrock will be history very soon, my sniper friend never misses. By the way, who do you genius'es wish to replace him so you can aim your bile and fury at them. I bet they are massing in droves to take the job.

 

[colonelnutter]

Very well said.

I thought Sturrock got his tactics totally wrong in the first half - Freddy and Benyon up front then knock it long all the time. Neil Harris galvanised the side, not particularly because of his own play but because we had, finally, an experienced leader on the field. he organised the whole side in a way that our captain didn't (and doesn't). Barker seems an honest pro but a leader he is not, he does not even martial the defence. So I think Sturrock's tactics in this were critical, although I think over the two legs Crewe were the better side and would probably have won anyway.

That said Sturrock did realise a tactical change was needed and made it in the early part of the second half. He has done similar (I don't buy it he is totally one dimensional although he does have a style which has clearly developed over the years and which has delivered a lot of success.)

We got into the play-offs, we got 83 points, we were top for a long time and we nearly made automatic promotion. Less than two years ago we had almost no squad, had no money, and looked on the bring of going under. So has the season been a failure? Not in my book. Has Sturrock? He has flaws, but again not in my book. And unless there is a really innovative alternative, I don't see the argument for moving him on. The argument I have seen on another thread that it is "time to get a real Southend man in" is frankly fatuous. Where someone is from or what there history is in terms of who they played for or managed is not relevent. Their ability and experience is. I hate to say it but I think there is an element who would hate Sturrock because he is a Scot even if we had one the league but arre too afraid to come out and actually say it. Others also are of the "he isn't Tilson" school. I stand behind no-one in my admiration for Tilly (when he got us promoted I acutally offered to be his love bitch on here) but he had his day, although the club treated him badly in many ways.

I also don't quite get the "the football is rubbish" argument. Barcelona it ain't but I saw a lot of goals and a lot of incident this season. That is what keeps me going to this level of football and I long ago accepted that is part of being an SUFC fan. But I do remember darker days when the football was worse, the atmosphere non-existend, the team full of overpaid has beens who clearly didn't care (the days of Little and Martin spring to mind). I didn't enjoy it sometime and guess what? I stopped going so regularly for a while. Don't quite get the mentality of those who constantly moan about the style killing the club but still go.

So roll on August, let's look forward to Fleetwood!

Sturrock is the best we can expect or afford realistically at our level and I think there is no-one on here who wouldn't have taken 83 points this season if offered at the start.

I knew we were never going to get past the first hurdle at the play-offs. By his own admission PS doesn't do knockout situations and the last day of the season at 5pm, I knew that we would still be in L2 next term. In fact more so knowing we had to play Crewe.

What did cost us automatic promotion was his being too slow to realize that the rest of the league had figured our route one football out by December/January time and he took til' March to bring some fresh tactics into the side. For that he does need to be criticised, but the fact he got us up there in the first place outweighs this error in judgement.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Don't panic lads, I have it all in hand. Sturrock will be history very soon, my sniper friend never misses. By the way, who do you genius'es wish to replace him so you can aim your bile and fury at them. I bet they are massing in droves to take the job.

I always used to joke with my fellow politics undergraduates that one day I'd write my magnum opus, "The Assassin :His role in society." Couldn't you ask your friend to take the chairman out too? :winking:

 

[Billy Best]

Just finished watching the match on Sky. Second half we showed what we can do but too late because yet again sturrock got the first half tactics horribly wrong. I have had enough of him and his mistakes. Senior, experienced manager? Go now sturrock, dont look back, dont prolong it. Lets get a man in who can let players play. Gutted for the team. Gutted.

Yet another fickle fan...........do us a favour and go support another club!

We had a good finish with a mediocre squad, no money, lousy ground and crowds twice that of Col U.

One 20 goal a season striker injured all season and the other injured when it mattered!

Get over it!:angry:

 

[lombard]

I have supported SUFC for nearly 60 years,i apparently saw them versus Chesterfield in season 1952/53,at the Greyhound Stadium in Grainger Road.Over that period i have witnessed many ups and more downs.Paul Sturrock,in my opinion,has worked wonders since coming here.The style of play is not always pleasing to the eye,but has generally produced results.I do not subscribe to comparing to Tilson.He is history,and i would not wish to see him return.Please sit back and save any venom for opposing teams.It seems a knee jerk reaction to Luggy.I can't wait for next season,in anticipation to who we have in blue.
Up the shrimpers.Oh, and by the way,i would prefer any colour but yellow for our change strip.Yellow was only introduced by Vic Jobson (RIP) in the 1980's.

 

[blue79]

Personally I think Luggy should be judged about 10 games into next season. To see if things are stagnating or not.

 

[Mick]

Yet another fickle fan...........do us a favour and go support another club!

We had a good finish with a mediocre squad, no money, lousy ground and crowds twice that of Col U.

One 20 goal a season striker injured all season and the other injured when it mattered!

Get over it!:angry:

There's nothing fickle about wanting better.

Better entertainment or better results, preferably both.