Syria air strikes

[mrsblue]

It won't end well, if it ever ends at all. Maybe it will with a mushroom cloud and the 1% that are left can argue over who gets to eat the roasted cockroaches.

Turkey down the Russian jet which the Russians provoked !

How long before another incident ?

 

[rigsby]

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It isn't propaganda, it was an ill thought out comment that will continue to bite Cameron on the arse for a very long time.

After being told that 9/11 was the work Saudi terrorists. The American/dual Israelis that actually dictate the Western policy in the ME had real trouble selling us an invasion of Iraq.

Phoney Toney came up with WMD and the fact that Saddam was not very nice. Suddenly the war was on with support from both left and right.

The French were the ones that questioned the whole propaganda we were being fed. They were vilified in the British and American press. IF you remember there was even 'boycott French fries' events being organised.

So yes if your anti bombing there will be Propaganda against you. But it also proves that even if you don't want no part of it like the French in Iraq. These idiots will still commit acts of terror against us. Why because they hate us anyway and their free to walk our streets, regardless of what happens in Syria.

 

[rigsby]

It won't end well, if it ever ends at all. Maybe it will with a mushroom cloud and the 1% that are left can go to war over who gets to eat the roasted cockroaches.

Happy Christmas!

Would that require a UN chapter 7 resolution.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

At least Old Albert came up with a few solutions. Apart from do nothing and accusing people of being racist you have yet to add anything on any of these threads.


I would love to hear how doing nothing will end terrorism in Britain, Europe and the ME

And you seem to be doing the usual and not answering my question.

The problem is you are so closed minded you won’t accept you can ever be wrong, and are setting yourself up in a way where it can never be proved. As previously discussed you don’t blame terrorists for terrorism, you blame the government at the time. So, should there be an attack in this country, instead of blaming the perpetrators you’ll say it was the government’s fault, and by extension you’ll blame the air strikes. You’ll do that even though we won’t know a huge amount about how long terrorist had been planning the attack, and how long they’ve been radicalised (assume they have been). You also won’t know if, and how many attacks will have been thwarted by these air strikes simply because they won’t have happened, and as previously discussed on various conspiracy theory threads, because you can’t prove a negative. In that respect you’re no better than a conspiracy theorist.

Moreover, it is worth pointing out that you said you’d back air strikes with a UN resolution hoping you’d never get one. However, you have one which says member states can “use any means necessary”, so you moved the goalposts and asked for a Chapter 7, which you know full well will never happen with Syria’s biggest Ally, Russia, being part of the vote.

I have never suggested doing nothing is a solution to the problem.In fact I've always been in favour of concerted action under the banner of a United Nations chapter 7 resolution.

Today's news about The Isis Papers makes that more necessary than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

 

[MK Shrimper]

I have never suggested doing nothing is a solution to the problem.In fact I've always been in favour of concerted action under the banner of a United Nations chapter 7 resolution.

Today's news about The Isis Papers makes that more necessary than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

Give it about 20 years, the the West and the Russians will be doing deals with ISIS for their oil and no doubt FIFA will hold the 2042 World Cup there and we'll all look back and laugh on how we used to kill each other.

 

[londonblue]

I have never suggested doing nothing is a solution to the problem.In fact I've always been in favour of concerted action under the banner of a United Nations chapter 7 resolution.

Today's news about The Isis Papers makes that more necessary than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

Added after the unanimous resolution to use any means necessary.

 

[mrsblue]

Give it about 20 years, the the West and the Russians will be doing deals with ISIS for their oil and no doubt FIFA will hold the 2042 World Cup there and we'll all look back and laugh on how we used to kill each other.

Britain will be selling them the latest weaponry whilst the USA president will have lunch with the IS leader,after lunch the world leaders will have a jolly round of golf.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I have never suggested doing nothing is a solution to the problem.In fact I've always been in favour of concerted action under the banner of a United Nations chapter 7 resolution.

Today's news about The Isis Papers makes that more necessary than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

And given that a chapter 7 resolution is never going to happen due to the reasons pointed out before by others on here what exactly is your solution to the IS menace if air strikes on specific targets aren't? (yes, i accept there will be civilian casualties)

 

[rigsby]

I have never suggested doing nothing is a solution to the problem.In fact I've always been in favour of concerted action under the banner of a United Nations chapter 7 resolution.

Today's news about The Isis Papers makes that more necessary than ever.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

What exactly do you mean by concerted action?

So if you actually believe this Guardian article (the ex us general is doubtful). Can I remind you of the propaganda campaign to invade Afghanistan. Remember all those stories in the press about James Bond villain style caves that went 6 floors down into the mountains. Totally self sufficient with there own air supply and bomb proof.

When we finally turned up all we found were standard caves with some dirty bedding and lots of western porn DVD's

 

[mrsblue]

What exactly do you mean by concerted action?

So if you actually believe this Guardian article (the ex us general is doubtful). Can I remind you of the propaganda campaign to invade Afghanistan. Remember all those stories in the press about James Bond villain style caves that went 6 floors down into the mountains. Totally self sufficient with there own air supply and bomb prove.

When we finally turned up all we found were standard caves with some dirty bedding and lots of western porn DVD's

I still marvel at Bin Laden plotted and planned 9/11 even though he alway's denied any involvement.

 

[Napster]

I still marvel at Bin Laden plotted and planned 9/11 even though he alway's denied any involvement.

Bit hard for him to admit it now.

 

[mrsblue]

Bit hard for him to admit it now.

You assume he is dead then?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Added after the unanimous resolution to use any means necessary.

However many times you repeat a lie it won't make it true.

And given that a chapter 7 resolution is never going to happen due to the reasons pointed out before by others on here what exactly is your solution to the IS menace if air strikes on specific taren't?rgets a (yes, i accept there will be civilian casualties)

I've told you (and others)before now that I don't do hypotheticals.

What exactly do you mean by concerted action?

So if you actually believe this Guardian article (the ex us general is doubtful). Can I remind you of the propaganda campaign to invade Afghanistan. Remember all those stories in the press about James Bond villain style caves that went 6 floors down into the mountains. Totally self sufficient with there own air supply and bomb prove.


When we finally turned up all we found were standard caves with some dirty bedding and lots of western porn DVD's

And can I remind you that the US did actually get a chapter 7 resolution from the UN to invade Afghanistan.That's precisely what I mean by "concerted action" btw.

 

[rigsby]

I still marvel at Bin Laden plotted and planned 9/11 even though he alway's denied any involvement.

What a fool he was. All he had to do was say I did it because of Syria and we would have taken no action against him.

Instead of spending years on the run and then hiding under virtual house arrest with several wives (one would be purgatory) He could have strolled round Syria murdering and raping children, popping over to England to recruit more Jihadis with some inspiring tales of decapitation. Any doubts the young recruits might have would be removed when they see the lack of action by British, bullied by the PC brigade, politicians. Which of course as we all know weakness is one of the reasons they despise western men in the first place.

 

[mrsblue]

What a fool he was. All he had to do was say I did it because of Syria and we would have taken no action against him.

Instead of spending years on the run and then hiding under virtual house arrest with several wives (one would be purgatory) He could have strolled round Syria murdering and raping children, popping over to England to recruit more Jihadis with some inspiring tales of decapitation. Any doubts the young recruits might have would be removed when they see the lack of action by British, bullied by the PC brigade, politicians. Which of course as we all know weakness is one of the reasons they despise western men in the first place.

Yeah true but the good old USA alway's get their man!,I mean it was brilliant planning to invade Pakistan with noisy helicopters then gain access to OBL's bolt hole kill him then put his body into the chopper then bury him at sea,super stuff.

 

[londonblue]

However many times you repeat a lie it won't make it true.

The problem is that it is true. You didn't mention Chapter 7 until after the vote, which smacks of trying to wriggle your way out of it.

And let's be honest here, it doesn't matter one iota if there's a chapter 7 resolution or not. A terrorist isn't going to cancel an attack because the resolution included Chapter 7. He's hardly going to think along the lines of "I was going to bomb the **** out of London but the the UN have passed a unanimous resolution, which doesn't include Chapter 7, so I'm still going ahead", or "I was going to bomb the **** out of London but the the UN have passed a unanimous resolution including Chapter 7, so I guess I'm going to have to abort".

In which case, because you now say you would back air strikes with a Chapter 7 resolution, as far as a terrorist is concerned, you're just as culpable as anyone else.

 

[rigsby]

However many times you repeat a lie it won't make it true.



I've told you (and others)before now that I don't do hypotheticals.



And can I remind you that the US did actually get a chapter 7 resolution from the UN to invade Afghanistan.That's precisely what I mean by "concerted action" btw.

Nope you just confused me more. Are you now saying that you would be happy for a ground troops in Syria as long as it is UN sanctioned. If so should they be US, British or UN ?

 

[mrsblue]

Syria army camp bombed by ?????

America think it was Russia !

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

You assume he is dead then?

Conspiracy theorists, Lol. Oh dear mrsblue.

 

[mrsblue]

Conspiracy theorists, Lol. Oh dear mrsblue.

Have you seen his dead body then ?,the media informed us of his demise without offering any proof whatsoever,Bin Laden was an ill man,now ask yourself this,do you believe the official story,I don't.