Syria air strikes

[GrumpyBlue]

I know I'm old school, but it's difficult to warm to a man called Hilary.

And one that went to school with Mrs Grumpy :winking:

 

[Floval Flyer]

I remember when he was just a lumbering centre-half for Cambridge United. How times move on.

ha haa, poor old Liam !!

 

[Floval Flyer]

It's the name a lot have been wanting them to be called for a while now. It's also the name the scum least want themselves known as so win win really.

according to the press;

Daesh is an acronym for the Arabic phrase al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant).
Essentially, it's another word for ISIS - but apparently one that ISIS militants do not favour.
Why? Because it is similar to the Arabic words 'Daes', 'one who crushes something underfoot' and 'Dahes', translated as 'one who sows discord'.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Can you imagine a shadow cabinet with Benn, Jarvis, Chuka Umunna and the likes of Stella Creasy holding the government to account rather that the shambles we currently have?
Ed Miliband, you really did a hatchet job there son.

I can and would hope it happens if for no othef reason a decent opposition.

 

[londonblue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34991402

For those who have not seen the whole speech. It really is why our democracy for all it's faults is still something rather special.

That really is a great speech. I wonder who it was who was shouting "outstanding" and "brilliant" at the end, because whoever it was I 100% correct.

Regardless of the side of the debate, that speech blows Corduroy's effort out of the water.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Voted for the war.That alone will ensure he never becomes leader of the PLP.

Suppose that rules out the deputy leader as well then? as well as Alan Johnson, Caroline Flint, Chris Leslie, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis, Stella Creasy, Keith Vaz, Liz Kendall, Margaret Hodge, Margaret Beckett, Tristram Hunt and Yvette Cooper amongst others.
I'm proud that my local MP stood up for what she believes in and stood firm against the haters and bullies. Take a bow Stella Creasy, I might not ever vote for you but I admire your bravery.

 

[mrsblue]

8500 bombing raids on Syria to date !,it has achieved nothing IMO apart from the mass exodus and the Paris massacres.

Stupidity of the highest order.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

8500 bombing raids on Syria to date !,it has achieved nothing IMO apart from the mass exodus and the Paris massacres.

Stupidity of the highest order.

Rather than just posting rubbish do you have anything sensible to back anything you say?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Sir Stan quits the Labour Party and joins the SNP is protest at those who voted for the bombing.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Sir Stan quits the Labour Party and joins the SNP is protest at those who voted for the bombing.

Bit of an arsehole, is our Stan. "Leaving" a party because some people voted against what he believes in is just a tad undemocratic, no?

Also, McDonnell having sly digs at Benn over the quality of his address is a ****ing shambles.

I don't agree with the bombings per se, but it's pathetic behaviour like that - coupled with the rhetoric poured out over the vote by some members of the party - that's making Labour appear in a far worser state than they actually are.

 

[mrsblue]

Rather than just posting rubbish do you have anything sensible to back anything you say?

What exactly did you want me to type then?

I don't agree in bombing and to date 8500 raids have taken place,what else can I say,how is that rubbish!

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Bit of an arsehole, is our Stan. "Leaving" a party because some people voted against what he believes in is just a tad undemocratic, no?

Also, McDonnell having sly digs at Benn over the quality of his address is a ****ing shambles.

I don't agree with the bombings per se, but it's pathetic behaviour like that - coupled with the rhetoric poured out over the vote by some members of the party - that's making Labour appear in a far worser state than they actually are.

Agree with the bit about Stan.
I think what McDonnell has said is fair. Benn and Blair have the ability to make rousing speeches - compliment. Both speeches were a call to arms - true. Great speeches can lead to the wrong decisions - consistent as McDonnell believes that bombing Syria is wrong.

The **** that has been posted on Twitter towards some of the Labour MPs is diabolical I looked at some of the crap Stella Creasy has been getting and it's not nice - but to be honest that is the kind of stuff that gets banded around on Twitter all of the time. Twitter themselves should be closing accounts that are abusive because a lot of that goes on.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Over 28 thousand voted for Stella Creasy to make important decisions. She and not devisive figures like Livingstone are the only hope for the Labour party. Corbyn needs to publicly back her and all the other MP's who expressed their opinion, after all, he was the one who gave the PLP the free vote.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Over 28 thousand voted for Stella Creasy to make important decisions. She and not devisive figures like Livingstone are the only hope for the Labour party. Corbyn needs to publicly back her and all the other MP's who expressed their opinion, after all, he was the one who gave the PLP the free vote.

Agreed that Stella has been voted in to make decisions - voters can try to persuade her to vote in a certain way but the trolling she has received is way OTT.

Part of an email Corbyn sent to members today reads:

'We all support and defend the democratic right to protest and lobby. And all MPs must be open to hearing the views of their constituents and others on matters of public importance.

But, as we have both said many times, abuse and intimidation have no place in politics. And the party as a whole will not accept such behaviour, from whatever quarter it comes.'

Why would you ask Corbyn to publicly back MPs that voted for airstrikes? Are you calling on Cameron to publicly back all the MPs that voted against?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Someone needs to fly the planes. Someone is going to wake up with an order they probably don't want.

Not read all of this thread but this is simple......Don't enlist in one of the armed forces if your principles get in the way of taking orders.

 

[londonblue]

Agreed that Stella has been voted in to make decisions - voters can try to persuade her to vote in a certain way but the trolling she has received is way OTT.

Part of an email Corbyn sent to members today reads:

'We all support and defend the democratic right to protest and lobby. And all MPs must be open to hearing the views of their constituents and others on matters of public importance.

But, as we have both said many times, abuse and intimidation have no place in politics. And the party as a whole will not accept such behaviour, from whatever quarter it comes.'

Why would you ask Corbyn to publicly back MPs that voted for airstrikes? Are you calling on Cameron to publicly back all the MPs that voted against?

I guess they mean "publicly back" in the same way Benn publicly backed Corduroy during his speech.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I guess they mean "publicly back" in the same way Benn publicly backed Corduroy during his speech.

The Tory MPs were told which way to vote. Labour MPs were allowed to vote the way they wanted - that's a big difference in your leader backing you before the vote even happened.

 

[RHB]

It seems to me that the biggest side product of Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of the PLP is that the media are so intent on Corbyn watching that the current Government are able to get away with various very weak bits and pieces of parliamentary business without being overly challenged by the same media.


Edit - That will teach me to look where I'm posting. This belongs in the Corbyn thread.

 

[londonblue]

The Tory MPs were told which way to vote. Labour MPs were allowed to vote the way they wanted - that's a big difference in your leader backing you before the vote even happened.

Maybe, but it doesn't come over the same way because it is implicit rather than explicit. What Hilary Benn said made it plain that he has respect for Corduroy, and any Labour MP that didn't intend to vote the same way as him, i.e. it was an explicit rather than impicit backing.

(Subtlety is lost on many people...)

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Agreed that Stella has been voted in to make decisions - voters can try to persuade her to vote in a certain way but the trolling she has received is way OTT.

Part of an email Corbyn sent to members today reads:

'We all support and defend the democratic right to protest and lobby. And all MPs must be open to hearing the views of their constituents and others on matters of public importance.

But, as we have both said many times, abuse and intimidation have no place in politics. And the party as a whole will not accept such behaviour, from whatever quarter it comes.'

Why would you ask Corbyn to publicly back MPs that voted for airstrikes? Are you calling on Cameron to publicly back all the MPs that voted against?

With pond life like Livingstone publicly stating he would support deselection for any MP who voted for airstrikes, now is the time to publicly back your MP's - stop skipping the issue.