It's Just like watching Southend...

[Up the Shrimpers]

Surely the sensible thing would be to lay the ball backwards?! Player A roll it to B, B knocks it behind him for A to collect... not hard is it, what on earth do they do in training?

For people not at the game & has not seen one of these brilliant short corners, what happens is that Player A takes the corner passes to Player B who then stops the ball Player A then runs from an offside position & puts a cross into the box, Lino then puts his flag up for offside & Player A & Player B raise their arms in frustration at what they have just done!!!

 

[palexander]

For people not at the game & has not seen one of these brilliant short corners, what happens is that Player A takes the corner passes to Player B who then stops the ball Player A then runs from an offside position & puts a cross into the box, Lino then puts his flag up for offside & Player A & Player B raise their arms in frustration at what they have just done!!!

The best thing is, not only do they then repeat this at various intervals during the game - but also continue to do so throughout the season!!!!

HAPPY DAYS! :D

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Have just done a four hour round trip to watch the worst game of football I can remember for a very, very long time. I'll give my thoughts tomorrow when I can think rationally.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

The biggest puzzle of the night for me was the fact that Crewe, who were playing the very definition of counter attack football, completely snuffed out our attack through the centre of the park, and yet we decided against using two out and out wingers when that is what the game was crying out for.

The lack of creativity in our midfield has been well documented by myself and everyone else, so you have to use other routes, and the only way we were going to score tonight was by getting the ball out wide and getting round the back of them. We didn't do that at all during the 90 minutes, and the lack of width tonight was startling.

Throwing centre forwards at the problem when there is still no supply line won't solve the problem - IMO Betsy AND Scannell should have been on, and on early, in place of Francis and Moussa to give ourselves a chance.

100% spot on.

The problem is that we have failed to bring any out and out wingers in. Surprise surprise!

We have a right back at right wing and a central midfielder at left wing!

So much for the transfer window !

 

[BILLERICAY BLUE]

100% spot on.

The problem is that we have failed to bring any out and out wingers in. Surprise surprise!

We have a right back at right wing and a central midfielder at left wing!

So much for the transfer window !

Yet when Tilly was looking at various wingers during the season, all the moaners on here were asking why we kept looking at wingers! You couldn't make it up.

 

[Benfleet Blue]

Totally agree but we have a Chairman who keeps promising a 'War Chest' !
I think thats called 'blagging' !

Oh, and well done to Tilly and Brush. The training ground short corner routine worked great !!!!!!!

Add to this we are gradually changing Christophe from a well trained reseve Premiership player into a slogging Division 2 midfielder the training ground methods are certainly up to scratch.

Given Ron's Blog said that we were building links and that the Villarreal Chairman was watching the Crewe game I don't think he'd let his players within a million miles of us !!!

 

[shrimperjon]

Will people please stop banging on about 'what tilly has achieved in the past five years' and 'look where we were when he took over'. That is in the past and history. The present and the next game is the important thing. yes, he has done well for the club no one will deny that, BUT, we are a poor side this season and have gone massively backwards. Since tilly has been at the club he has worked on a shoe string budget but has produced the goods. This season unfortunately he hasnt.

Would a change make a difference? Well it might or it might not, thats the gamble sometimes you have to take. There are many examples this season that will justify the arguement both ways. For me, mayb the time is right for him to move on, not now, but at the end of the season. His signings this year have been ok, but he has also stabbed a few players in the back, moussa, grant etc. That cant be good for team spirit.

We still cant defend set peices and his team selections and substitutions are at times baffling. So in conclusion, to all you tilly lovers, dont slate every fan that suggests that tilly should go, if you like what you saw last nite than fine, but me for one no.

Change isnt always a bad thing!

 

[Jam_Man]

Change isnt always a bad thing!

Nor is continuity.

We have had one bad season under Tilson, and that bad season is a 'woeful' mid table.

Yes its disappointing but he deserves to be left to do the job. If come Christmas we are having another poor season then thats the time to start thinking about it, but for now he deserves the chance to turn our fortunes around.

Alternatively we could go and get a new manager like Gerraint Williams at Orient or someone of similar standing, that would be really useful...

 

[shrimperjon]

Tilly Lover!

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

Totally agree. There were morons in the south upper at the Bristol Rovers game that jumped straight on Mildenhall's back just before half time because of one poor kick, was almost as though they had been waiting for that to happen for 44 mins as they had nothing to say before that.

Too many silly little boys in attendance these days and it won't be long before someone "has a word" with some of them !!!!!

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

If you want to pay £400+ a year to watch matches and perfomances like that, then more fool you.

Money (and time) is tight for me and I dont know how long I can continue justifying going at the current time when the club arent seemingly committing any money to the cause.

I wont deny statistically that Tilson is the best manager in the clubs history, but he has had an easy ride of it. You can only tell the character of somebody when the chips are down and he is showing he is not up to the job.

Were the chips not down when he took over then ? we were heading straight out of the league.......what a short memory some people have.

The chips were also down when he managed to keep things together and push on with a very average team that got promoted to the CCC

 

[palexander]

Were the chips not down when he took over then ? we were heading straight out of the league.......what a short memory some people have.

The chips were also down when he managed to keep things together and push on with a very average team that got promoted to the CCC

Wish we had some of those 'average' players now... Gower, Maher, Flavs, Eastwood... so, so average...

Yes, of course the chips were down when he took over, but if you bothered to read the rest of my posts, rather than quoting the bit that suited you, you will have read that I said it was the 'new manager syndrome' - new ideas, a fresh voice etc etc.

Something we need again now...

 

[OldBlueLady]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

Good post, I agree with the sentiments although I'd really struggle to actually carry it through.

What got me with the numpties amongst the crowd is that they were screaming out for players to "shoot" and yet when Clarke and Macca both had a go from distance, were pretty vocal in their derision. You can't have it both ways - either they WILL shoot and score on occasions but miss more than they'll score or they won't.

Get off their backs! It was a frustrating game for everyone - I'm quite sure Jeff didn't want to play like that, nothing came our way, no luck, no decisions, nothing. We'd just won two in a row and yet the crowd were being as aggressive as if we'd lost two in a row.

 

[palexander]

Good post, I agree with the sentiments although I'd really struggle to actually carry it through.

What got me with the numpties amongst the crowd is that they were screaming out for players to "shoot" and yet when Clarke and Macca both had a go from distance, were pretty vocal in their derision. You can't have it both ways - either they WILL shoot and score on occasions but miss more than they'll score or they won't.

Get off their backs! It was a frustrating game for everyone - I'm quite sure Jeff didn't want to play like that, nothing came our way, no luck, no decisions, nothing. We'd just won two in a row and yet the crowd were being as aggressive as if we'd lost two in a row.

Good post, for all my 'negative' posting on SZ, I always try to get behind the guys on the pitch and some of those shouts of "SHOOOOT" followed by "ARRRRGHHHHHHH IDIOT!!!" are so stupid.

I'd rather shout "SHOOOT", then "UNLUCKY, KEEP GOING" etc, no purpose in getting on their backs - and the booing of Christophe was absolutely unbelievable.

Theres a guy who at times shows he has trained at the top level and our 'fans' will turn him into a lower league clogger within 3 months...

 

[A Century United]

Wish we had some of those 'average' players now... Gower, Maher, Flavs, Eastwood... so, so average...

Yes, of course the chips were down when he took over, but if you bothered to read the rest of my posts, rather than quoting the bit that suited you, you will have read that I said it was the 'new manager syndrome' - new ideas, a fresh voice etc etc.

Something we need again now...

Sorry PB but that doesn't wash. "New Manager Syndrome" simply doesn't carry on for two and a half seasons. If you are lucky, it holds up for a run of three or four games, after that it is down to the man-management, tactics, and coaching of the manager.

 

[Jam_Man]

If Tilson goes for being mid-table then i'll not renew my season card.

I'll just go now and then, maybe the bigger games.

I'll say hey, it's been fun while Steve was here but i cannot put up with these fans any longer, these footballing analysts who pretend to know plenty about the game.
It's not good for me listening to people, like tonight, gobbing off like they know better to the best manager this club has seen.

You may disagree and feel entitled to do so, that's your choice, but this is how i feel about some of our supporters.

Yep thats how I feel. I could put up with the dire football but the expectations that people have and the anger at being mid table for the first time in 5 years is ridiculous.

Stopped posting on here because of it and will no doubt do so soon.

We arent a huge club, despite the shouts for "wheres the money gone" we dont have millions stashed away. We are a medium sized club in this division and whilst we should be pushing for promotion every year to not achieve a challenge for one year is not worthy of the amount of whining our "supporters" do.

Yes this seasons been poor and mistakes have been made. Our squad is inadequate and lacks any sort of creativity and more seriously it lacks players in certain positions. However let Tilson sort it out, don't call for his head because we are mid table...

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

Wish we had some of those 'average' players now... Gower, Maher, Flavs, Eastwood... so, so average...

Yes, of course the chips were down when he took over, but if you bothered to read the rest of my posts, rather than quoting the bit that suited you, you will have read that I said it was the 'new manager syndrome' - new ideas, a fresh voice etc etc.

Something we need again now...

Actually yes very average, don't see any of those playing in the Prem, Eastwood failed at Wolves and has spent a lot of time on the bench at Coventry, Flavs is a reserve keeper at a poor ccc side, Maher rarely gets a start in Lge 1 and Gower has done OK but as I say, average at best like 90% of players in this country outside the prem.

Just what do you expect from a club of our size ?

As for new manager syndrome, if it actually exists then how come it lasted 4 years and not 4 weeks ?

 

[palexander]

Actually yes very average, don't see any of those playing in the Prem, Eastwood failed at Wolves and has spent a lot of time on the bench at Coventry, Flavs is a reserve keeper at a poor ccc side, Maher rarely gets a start in Lge 1 and Gower has done OK but as I say, average at best like 90% of players in this country outside the prem.

Just what do you expect from a club of our size ?

As for new manager syndrome, if it actually exists then how come it lasted 4 years and not 4 weeks ?

Besides the point that all those players that left us are playing in teams above us? Add JCR to that too - that is a hell of a lot of quality to take out of a side and though we did our best to throw it away that season (as did the rest of the sides!), to call them 'average' is a amazing to be honest...

Anyways, my point about Tilly was that it was easier to steer a runaway train than have to do anything incredibly tactical, which is why I think we kept successful. He kept the happy confident team, happy and confident without having to tinker too much tactically and credit to him for that. Shaun Goater admits it in his book - Tilly is a better man manager than tactician and that is why I believe we are struggling now.

Man managers are fine, but when it comes to the crunch and you need to get 10% more out of a side by having a bit of nous, Tilson comes up short in my opinion - I know many (most) of you disagree and that is fine.

Take last night, it was obvious (I hope!) to everyone in the ground where our failings are - hell, even Tilson has said it in his post-match interviews, so why did he make the tactical changes at the time last night that he did?

It was obvious after 5-10 minutes what Crewe's gameplan was (fair play to em) and Tilson stood watching us chip balls into the middle of the Crewe half which were mopped up by their 6ft 7" centre back Lawrence and even when he tried to change the tactics, instead of introducing width, he went to a even narrower 4-3-3 which never worked.

But like I've said, if everyone is happy with paying £20 to watch that sort of performance than fine, I'm not.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

Besides the point that all those players that left us are playing in teams above us? Add JCR to that too - that is a hell of a lot of quality to take out of a side and though we did our best to throw it away that season (as did the rest of the sides!), to call them 'average' is a amazing to be honest...

Anyways, my point about Tilly was that it was easier to steer a runaway train than have to do anything incredibly tactical, which is why I think we kept successful. He kept the happy confident team, happy and confident without having to tinker too much tactically and credit to him for that. Shaun Goater admits it in his book - Tilly is a better man manager than tactician and that is why I believe we are struggling now.

If it was a runaway train then surely that proves my point, an average team with a goal scorer in form. I seem to remember people being very realistic about our chances in the CCC with that team, expectations were not high and rightly so.

I am not claiming that Tilly is the best manager in Lge 1 but overall he has done a decent job and it is clear that the money is not there for decent signings.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

We lack creativity and we lack width.......read, we lack Bailey(Sawyer) and Gower. When Sawyer and HRK departed , this was clearly evident but got pushed to the back of everyone's mind when our frailties in central defence became obvious. In essence the only thing achieved in the January window was the suring up of our defence by bringing in Dervite, which generally, seems to have done the trick. The failure to fill the holes left by Gower and Bailey should have been a fairly clear indication of the fact that we are going nowhere this season.
One can only hope that the search has already begun, in all earnest, to find replacements for these key areas because, if this is not done in the summer we face another sterile season.
One other point for me is that, if Tilly doesn't have faith in Herd to do the job at left back for the moment, surely we need to send him out on loan so as he can get the experience.