Absolutely Furious!

[Welly7]

I just dont understand why we still play Foran in the reserves. He obviously cannot be motivated, so what effect does that have on the rest of the dressing room and younger players?

If he can play for the reserves, he can play for the 1st team.

Even if Foran wasnt named tonight, we still should have taken some kids up with us.

The thing is, if all the rumours about Foran are true then I very much doubt he has any interest in playing for us again. Far too happy to pick up his wages before clearing off on a free in the summer.
Why on earth we didn't fill the bench with youth is beyond me, though.It's a crazy decision and one which puts the whole club in a bad light.

 

[Richard_Cadette]

All fair points RC. I agree with you on the one hand.

On the other hand, though, would it be conducive to have him in the squad? Could put him in the squad just to make up the numbers, but don't see the point if he won't get on the pitch.

My worry with having Foran in the squad would be his state of mind at the club presently. Whether he deserves his fate or not, his morale is likely to be about as rock-bottom as you can get at the moment. He trains with the youthies much of the time, he's been frozen out, most likely has very few friends at the club, is probably unsettled. I could go on. Putting the obvious issue to the side, is it not possible that a sulking Foran who probably can't be arsed to try his best for the team, just like he can't for the reserves, could drag an already low team morale down further? Will he be a disruptive influence in the dressing room and on the pitch, where the side needs to be as stable and fully-functioning as possible?

Yes, he needs to justify wages by playing and yes, a firing-on-all-cylinders Foran would be some sort of improvement on what we're putting out at the moment, but there are other factors besides those two that, for me, mean that having half-full bench is better than having him on it.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, just putting forward another approach to the issue.

I totally take on board your point James, and to a certain extent, can see where you're coming from, but when you can only have 3 fit players on the bench, it has to be a case of all hands to the pump. He is an experience professional, being paid by us to play football, and no matter how bad his state of mind is, he will know full well that if he got the chance to play for us, it would be in his best interests to play well to either try and get a first team berth, or increase interest in him from other clubs.

He looked to be playing at well while on loan at Darlington, and given our current crisis, whatever the issues were, it is upto the manager to resolve them, or put them aside, and get the best team out there we can possibly muster.

 

[Exiled Shrimper]

We don't know the full facts. Foran, by all accounts, was dire for the reserves the other week. Foran maybe carrying an injury, you ever thought about that?

Foran wouldn't have won us the game tonight. Why would he put any effort in when he knows he has no future at the Club.

I can assure you that Foran was not dire at Stevenage last week - or at least not as dire as some of the other players involved. In fact, he was still going strong at the end of the match, setting up Craig Calver's injury-time consolation.

In reaction to a point made by another poster, Foran did not appear to be lacking motivation either, as he didn't during pre-season when he was basically shunted into the youth team.

I'm not saying that Foran is the answer to all of our problems, and it may be that he was trying hard to attempt to attract attention from another club (Peter Taylor was unsurprisingly in attendance at Broadhall Way), but he was a viable option based on his appearance in the reserves, where he was poorly supplied. It seems that there are certainly other reasons for his absence from the first-team squad.

 

[palexander]

The thing is, if all the rumours about Foran are true then I very much doubt he has any interest in playing for us again. Far too happy to pick up his wages before clearing off on a free in the summer.
Why on earth we didn't fill the bench with youth is beyond me, though.It's a crazy decision and one which puts the whole club in a bad light.

This is what I mean about playing him in the reserves?

If he is going to be frozen out, then FFS freeze him out. He's neither here nor there at the moment.

 

[Clinton Baptiste]

Foran is the least of our worries. We cant defend, cant keep the ball, cant put decent crosses in, cant finish off what chances we do create, have a very poor disciplinary record and a tightwad chairman.

But its ok cuz we held the mighty Chelsea to a draw and once beat Man U.

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

I can assure you that Foran was not dire at Stevenage last week - or at least not as dire as some of the other players involved. In fact, he was still going strong at the end of the match, setting up Craig Calver's injury-time consolation.

In reaction to a point made by another poster, Foran did not appear to be lacking motivation either, as he didn't during pre-season when he was basically shunted into the youth team.

I'm not saying that Foran is the answer to all of our problems, and it may be that he was trying hard to attempt to attract attention from another club (Peter Taylor was unsurprisingly in attendance at Broadhall Way), but he was a viable option based on his appearance in the reserves, where he was poorly supplied. It seems that there are certainly other reasons for his absence from the first-team squad.

Your the only one so far that I have heard praise Foran's performance the other day to be honest, but I appreciate that you obviously went to the game and I didn't. I'm going by what I've heard.

 

[Medway Blue]

I totally take on board your point James, and to a certain extent, can see where you're coming from, but when you can only have 3 fit players on the bench, it has to be a case of all hands to the pump. He is an experience professional, being paid by us to play football, and no matter how bad his state of mind is, he will know full well that if he got the chance to play for us, it would be in his best interests to play well to either try and get a first team berth, or increase interest in him from other clubs.

He looked to be playing at well while on loan at Darlington, and given our current crisis, whatever the issues were, it is upto the manager to resolve them, or put them aside, and get the best team out there we can possibly muster.

Yeah, can see what you're saying. It's an odd situation. FWIW, I think he has to be in the side on Saturday, now more than ever.

 

[Homer]

The thing is, if all the rumours about Foran are true then I very much doubt he has any interest in playing for us again. Far too happy to pick up his wages before clearing off on a free in the summer.
Why on earth we didn't fill the bench with youth is beyond me, though.It's a crazy decision and one which puts the whole club in a bad light.

the reason we did not fill the bench with the youth probaly because there remainder of our small squad are playing at canvey tomorrow night

 

[Shrimpersarmy]

Somebody mentioned yesterday that most of the youth team players aren't registered to play in the League.

If that is the case, then fair enough. BUT the point still stands RE: Foran. And even if only 1 or 2 of the youths are registered to play in the league, i would expect them to be named on the bench rather than nobody at all. Lokando is allocated a squad number, is he able to play in league games? If so, does anyone know if he is injured or something?

 

[shrimperton]

If that is the case, then fair enough. BUT the point still stands RE: Foran. And even if only 1 or 2 of the youths are registered to play in the league, i would expect them to be named on the bench rather than nobody at all. Lokando is allocated a squad number, is he able to play in league games? If so, does anyone know if he is injured or something?

He probably hurt his foot jumping off the coach :)

 

[TheSouthendUnitedRunner]

If that is the case, then fair enough. BUT the point still stands RE: Foran. And even if only 1 or 2 of the youths are registered to play in the league, i would expect them to be named on the bench rather than nobody at all. Lokando is allocated a squad number, is he able to play in league games? If so, does anyone know if he is injured or something?

I'm going by what someone else mentioned on the predict the line up thread.

 

[Shrimpersarmy]

I'm going by what someone else mentioned on the predict the line up thread.

Fair enough mate. I just wish i knew what was going through Tilsons head sometimes. Some of his decisions really do astound me.

 

[palexander]

the reason we did not fill the bench with the youth probaly because there remainder of our small squad are playing at canvey tomorrow night

Thats no better excuse! Meaningless friendly, or vital league match.

Hope thats not the case as its so unprofessional if true.

 

[Sean 2]

I have, somehow, managed to remain relatively calm and reserved over the last few weeks, but tonight's events have left me spitting teeth with rage.

Even with a full strength side, you would expect it to be a tough match at Leeds, but to turn up at one of the strongest sides in the league with only 3 fit substitutes and an unfit Barney when you have a fully fit Richie Foran left behind is inexcusable.

I am still in doubt as to who the blame should lay with for our current predicament, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Tilly was not putting the needs of the club first when he deemed it preferable to have an unfilled bench when Richie Foran is doing nothing to earn his reputed high wages. Why is he not on the bench? There can be NO reason whatsoever that we should go inot a match with such importance as this without our full quota of substitutes, especially when you consider how weak the starting eleven was - I'm sorry, but unforgiveable.

The injuries are piling up, and that is difficult to legislate for, but where are the replacements? Nowhere is the answer, and with more tough games coming up and now nly 6 points above the drop zone, how does anyone at the club think we are going to pull clear of trouble?

Yet again, the end of the window is approaching, and we are still yet to do any meaningful business and we are turning up at clubs like Leeds in a totally unprofessional state - Lee Barnard who was clearly not fit enough to be there having to be named as a sub as an emergency.

I am sorry to go on about it, but the decision not to have Foran involved tonight has completely incensed me, and there is no justification for his absence.

This club needs to sort itself out very quickly otherwise the outcome is now inevitable - we are not good enough to stay in this division.

Fully fit Foran? Never seen him in that state,always puffin' otta his backside mate.Besides,he runs like a penguin and just makes stupid fouls all day.

Can't stand him.Honestly mate,you start up these threads and you sound like my little boy having lost his lamby! You can only stick on 3 subs anyway so what's the big deal?
Walker getting injured is a sickener,that's the real story tonight.

We've got a chance of winning this Saturday,let's all pray for a win 'cos away to Leeds was never gonna see us get nowt.

 

[Andyhsufc]

What i dont understand is that we dudnt take somebody up to Leeds whether it be Foran or just a youth player. All seems a bit odd tbh.

 

[Exiled Shrimper]

...even if only 1 or 2 of the youths are registered to play in the league, i would expect them to be named on the bench rather than nobody at all. Lokando is allocated a squad number, is he able to play in league games? If so, does anyone know if he is injured or something?

All scholars are registered with the Football League, in our case on Centre of Excellence terms. I can't see anything with FL regulations that prohibits the use of scholars specifically, although I'm happy to be proved wrong. Certainly Justin Hazell and Femi Orenuga both apeared for the club whilst registered as scholars, although that was the F.A. Cup and I'm happy to be proved wrong if the FL stipulates otherwise.

Peggy Lokando is a professional, and he played for the reserves at Stevenage last week, although he wasn't very impressive.

 

[Csboy]

I'd be more furious if I had gone to the game instead of sitting on my computer in my nice warm home! Spare a thought for all those poor souls that went to the game they will have more right to come on here and say they are 'Absolutely furious'.

 

[Tampa Blue]

Walker getting injured is a sickener,that's the real story tonight.quote]

No the real story is the fact that our 'squad' is so unbalanced and has been all season - 3 gk ffs - Masters salary should be spent on an outfield player!! We can't afford wages for the Deby boy, yet we can afford a new Reserve Team Manager (let Brush do it and earn his money) and a new Scout (that's great - loads of new signing - not!!)

Tilly signed Foran - pride goes before a fall and the club and Tilly look like we are about to fall. I'm not keen on Foran either, but to not have him on the bench but an injured Barnard is ridiculous. What would happen if Barnard picked up yet another injury coming on at 0-2? Foran could and should have come on.

 

[C C Csiders]

Peggy Lokando is a professional, and he played for the reserves at Stevenage last week, although he wasn't very impressive.

So more Peggy No kan do then?

 

[CC51DAS]

I can clear up the mystery regarding Foran for those of you who care.

He will be shipped out in the very near future to a mystery club which I cannot name for raesons of being sworn to secrecy and the buyers insisted that he did not play tonight.

I gather that if all goes to plan, Kaka will be moving in the opposite direction.