Ritblat

[Irate Ian]

Is this socialism in action day? Perhaps you'd like to remove yourself from the dream world where saints selflessly run not-for-profit football clubs for the good of the fans. Martin Dawn acquired the club because they thought they could make money out of it; that is not incompatible with improving the state of the club, which they clearly have done on a consistent basis.

I honestly have no idea what you are going on about here. What exactly do you plan to find on the Land Register? Evidence of a massive conspiracy? Surely the Register and all DD work would have formed part of the planning application process?

If you have something to say then just say it. If you have evidence of something untoward then by all means publish it.

You don't have to be the owner of land to make a planning application.

To seek to establish who are to be the clubs ultimate landlord is the purpose.

The club have been unprepared to comment or disclose, so hence some concern TO KNOW WHO WE ARE DEALING WITH or who will call the shots when and if in hard financial times the club may be unable to pay rent due under whatever lease is to be granted to SUFC.

 

[Irate Ian]

Suggest you read to-days Evening Echo, where published statement of Mr Martin appears, following his bail having been extended.

 

[KrustyTheKray]

Didn't Ron Martin work for Anton Johnson??

Very worrying if you ask me!

 

[A Century United]

Didn't Ron Martin work for Anton Johnson??

Very worrying if you ask me!

Then rest assured, Tony, that I WON'T be asking you. By the way, have you noticed a tendency for people to jump off bridges or slit their wrists after spending time in your company?

:( :fart:

 

[Irate Ian]

Don't do intimations stick to the facts YOU know

see above.....

 

[blue scorpion]

You don't have to be the owner of land to make a planning application.

To seek to establish who are to be the clubs ultimate landlord is the purpose.

The club have been unprepared to comment or disclose, so hence some concern TO KNOW WHO WE ARE DEALING WITH or who will call the shots when and if in hard financial times the club may be unable to pay rent due under whatever lease is to be granted to SUFC.

Surely we all would like to know who we are dealing with and if Irate Ian has the initiative to follow this through then good luck to him.
My view is that this has nothing to do with conspiracy theories as some have suggested and that Irate simply wants a few simple questions answered.
As I pointed out in a previous post Mr Martin said at the AGM that the Shareholders should not worry about debt because a significant amount will never need repaying.So who is behind the scenes then?
We should not become complacent because a land of milk and honey awaits with a new ground providing untold riches to enhance the team etc.
We all want success for SUFC but I must admit that I would be a lot more confidant of our future if i knew who ACTUALLY controls the football club rather than those who are driving through the new development because aithough of course they are linked they are not the same thing.

 

[Irate Ian]

Here Here Here !!!

At last a voice of reason who has clearly grasped the nettle.

Keep ones eye on the ball along these lines and won't go far wrong.

 

[Irate Ian]

If it is anything to do with the companies who own the various slivers of Land which make up all the required site at FF, the name Ritblat may well appear . There were several companies involved IIRC (Swan Holdings ? seems to ring a bell as one of them) one of which snapped up the "last piece of the jigsaw" while RM prevaricated about the price and then held out for a larger price. I think this is what caused the major delay in the plans being put through a couple of years back

Thanks fo that. I will ber in mind and start a paper file as well, so that all informants notes can be reviewed and acted upon [researched].

Yes "ransome strips" will be of interest. Not for the ransome angle but that knowing that a retained strip owned by a "big player" would enable his or their interests to be preserved, even though they may not appear [on paper] to own larger parcels of land at the development site.

Mortgages/charges will also be of possible material interest.

I expect the research may take 3-4 weeks as I can only fit in in free time, which is very scarce in my business at this time [cannot in 30 yrs recall it ever being any different].

 

[davewebbsbrain]

If Ron Martin wants to be involved with asset stripping of this club, buying it for the profit etc etc, he is doing a very very good impression of someone who cares immensly about the club, its players and its fans. He is not a faceless chairman, but a chairman I am proud of having in charge of this club, has some passion and fight in his voice!!!

 

[Irate Ian]

If Ron Martin wants to be involved with asset stripping of this club, buying it for the profit etc etc, he is doing a very very good impression of someone who cares immensly about the club, its players and its fans. He is not a faceless chairman, but a chairman I am proud of having in charge of this club, has some passion and fight in his voice!!!

Don't disagree in principal, with your comments. Mr Martin has been a very good "figurehead" compared with some in our club history.

But be cautious and keep an open mind.

We will see what the future holds - None of us are crystal ball gazers.

It is the long term future of the club which needs to be sorted at the future developement site. Think about :-

Covenants/Trust Deeds/Legal Agreements

which might secure the clubs right to occupy and trade regardless of who may be at the helm [the figurehead] in 2, 3 5 or 50-100 years from now.

Consider also:-

Will the club be given rent free [at a peppercorn] use of the stadium ?


That would be the ultimate, but likely wishful thinking as the "paymasters" will want their pound or two of flesh, I think.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Don't disagree in principal, with your comments. Mr Martin has been a very good "figurehead" compared with some in our club history.

But be cautious and keep an open mind.

We will see what the future holds - None of us are crystal ball gazers.

It is the long term future of the club which needs to be sorted at the future developement site. Think about :-

Covenants/Trust Deeds/Legal Agreements

which might secure the clubs right to occupy and trade regardless of who may be at the helm [the figurehead] in 2, 3 5 or 50-100 years from now.

Consider also:-

Will the club be given rent free [at a peppercorn] use of the stadium ?


That would be the ultimate, but likely wishful thinking as the "paymasters" will want their pound or two of flesh, I think.

Not to be sneezed at!!

 

[Neil_F]

What are you talking about? It would certainly halp if you used traditional sentence structure!

Perhaps you would like to summarise for us by providing a list of questions you would like answering. Some of the well informed members of this board may even be able to provide the information you seek.

 

[Shrimpador]

What are you talking about? It would certainly halp if you used traditional sentence structure!

Perhaps you would like to summarise for us by providing a list of questions you would like answering. Some of the well informed members of this board may even be able to provide the information you seek.

Good post.

I'm getting pretty bored of all this wild speculation re Ron, the owners of Fossett's, covenants, rent, seat for lives bla bla bla. All written in condescending language without any evidence.

I suggest Irate Ian comes back on here when he has some hard facts to report. In the meantime, let's hope we get planning permission and let's concentrate on the football! Up the Shrimpers!

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

Shrimpador, I would suggest if this type of thread bores you, do not read it.
I am finding these threads interesting maybe because i am naturally cautious and such want to make sure there is nothing nasty about to rear it's head.

There is nothing wrong with ensuring that all is good now and that our future will not be jeopardised by this move. I have not seen Irate Ian say that Ron is an asset stripper however my take is that he just wants to make sure that benefit of Fossets Farm is primarily for SUFC. I am sure we are all in agreement with that sentiment.

 

[Irate Ian]

Exactly

Shrimpador, I would suggest if this type of thread bores you, do not read it.
I am finding these threads interesting maybe because i am naturally cautious and such want to make sure there is nothing nasty about to rear it's head.

There is nothing wrong with ensuring that all is good now and that our future will not be jeopardised by this move. I have not seen Irate Ian say that Ron is an asset stripper however my take is that he just wants to make sure that benefit of Fossets Farm is primarily for SUFC. I am sure we are all in agreement with that sentiment.

Well said. Some of the colts on this forum do not seem to get it.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

FFS Ian will you get off your fukking high horse. Just because some people don't go alongh with your paranoia you insult us. It may interest you to know that I'm not a colt and I've dealt with people in my working life (30 plus years) with people who make the people you deal with look like pussy cats. All you've trawled up is a load of innuendo which amounts to sweet FA.

 

[Irate Ian]

Good post.

I'm getting pretty bored of all this wild speculation re Ron, the owners of Fossett's, covenants, rent, seat for lives bla bla bla. All written in condescending language without any evidence.

I suggest Irate Ian comes back on here when he has some hard facts to report. In the meantime, let's hope we get planning permission and let's concentrate on the football! Up the Shrimpers!

Hopefully we will not find the decision delayed again, during the on-going police corruption/money laundering investigations, until RM bail extension in June now expires [see thread] and Evening Echo statement of Ron Friday
22nd February.

If the police have not pressed charges, or been able to yet drop the charges, for lack of evidence [for example], may be an unfortunate consequence that the planning inspectorate may want to defer also their decision, bearing in mind that a former council official is also involved in the investigation.

This would be another set-back and I close the day by expressing all supporters views that this will not happen.

 

[Jim Coxell]

If the police have not pressed charges, or been able to yet drop the charges, for lack of evidence [for example], may be an unfortunate consequence that the planning inspectorate may want to defer also their decision, bearing in mind that a former council official is also involved in the investigation.

You've obviously done a lot of research. Can you back this up by giving an example of when this has happened in the past?

 

[A Century United]

1. In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment," means that a particular case or matter is currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court. As far as we are aware this is still a police investigation, and therefore it is not Sub Judice.

2. I think the average "outsider" who reads your posts without any background information would assume that Ron Martin has been charged. As far as I am aware he has not, and the suggestion or implication that he has could be seen to be defamatory.

3. Andee - I agree that

There is nothing wrong with ensuring that all is good now and that our future will not be jeopardised by this move.

but all Irate Ian has posted so far has been written in a fairly obscure/impenetrable style, and when you analyse what he posts carefully, some of it makes no sense at all. I refer you to his post about Ron having an office in Chelmsford which went on for several paragraphs about having seen Ron in Chelmsford, offered no other evidence whatsoever, and then commands that we do not suggest any longer that Ron doesn't have any offices in Chelmsford. A subject like this needs to be dealt with sensibly, and sensitively, and I can't see that this thread does either.

 

[Bob Cratchitt]

A subject like this needs to be dealt with sensibly, and sensitively, and I can't see that this thread does either.

Agreed and what makes it harder is of course the emotive nature of the subject.

One thing that has not been mentioned is that the gifts given to the Councillor did indeed involve Southend Utd. i.e. free tickets to a game between Southend and Cheltenham and also a donation of a Nike team kit from spare stock of the infamous silver kit. So I am guessing this is why the police hit Roots Hall as well as Ron's House, also not doubting that the consideration was taken that he works a lot of his time from Roots Hall, but not being an expert in the field of Police investigation it does seem weird that it has not been reported that the Chelmsford office was searched. Maybe as Chelmsford is not part of the Echo's jurisdiction this was not reported?