Speed twice and face a ban.

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Motorists could be banned from the road after just two speeding tickets.

Ministers are doubling the penalty for the worst offences, in a crackdown on Britain's most dangerous drivers.

Those caught significantly over the limit would be hit automatically with six points on their licence.

If this happens twice in three years they reach the total for a six-month ban.


The harsher penalty could apply to those caught at 50mph in a 30mph zone, 60mph in a 40mph zone, and between 90mph and 100mph in a 70mph zone.

Even drivers doing 35mph in a 20mph zone may not escape.

Ministers are also expected to give a boost to speed awareness courses - instead of a loss of three points - for drivers marginally over the limit.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Well that's one way to empty the roads then! Jeesh, there'd be hardly any one left without points.......or, as in my situation, I'd be forced to take points earned by the other half.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Well that's one way to empty the roads then! Jeesh, there'd be hardly any one left without points.......or, as in my situation, I'd be forced to take points earned by the other half.

Ministers believe the harsher penalties unveiled today are needed to reduce the death toll on roads. Last year 2,946 people died, 57 of them child pedestrians.

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

Well that's one way to empty the roads then! Jeesh, there'd be hardly any one left without points.......or, as in my situation, I'd be forced to take points earned by the other half.

Fairer than forcing the poor off of the road through tax, surely?

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

Fairer than forcing the poor off of the road through tax, surely?

A lot fairer IMO

More than 1.1million are already on the brink of a ban, with six or more points on their licence. The new guidelines could double the number disqualified.

 

[graysblue]

we all know the ages between 17/25 are the most likely to be involved ie the cause of accidents with speeding being the cheif culprit.

why not force this age group into only being allowed to drive small engined cars say up to 1000cc.

back in the 70s youngsters were allowed to ride motorbikes up to 250cc some of these bikes were super quick hence deaths were going into orbit as the inexperienced riders thrashed the bike yet sadly could not stop the machine,the then goverment lowered the cc class to 125.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

we all know the ages between 17/25 are the most likely to be involved ie the cause of accidents with speeding being the cheif culprit.

why not force this age group into only being allowed to drive small engined cars say up to 1000cc.

back in the 70s youngsters were allowed to ride motorbikes up to 250cc some of these bikes were super quick hence deaths were going into orbit as the inexperienced riders thrashed the bike yet sadly could not stop the machine,the then goverment lowered the cc class to 125.

Fair point GB but these days a 1000cc car can achieve high enough speeds to cause just as much carnage as a 3000cc car i am afraid.

The Daihatsu Charade GTti has a 993 cc, 3 cylinder, twin cam, fuel injected engine.
plus a SCREAMING TURBO!!!
99 bhp may not sound like a lot, but when you put it in a car that weighs the same as a bag of spanners, you get a 0-60 time of approximately 7.9 seconds (manufacturers estimate). Lets put this into perspective, you will beat BMW's (325i's) Escort and Fiesta RST's, and you will probably keep up with the Renault 5 GTT crew as well!

 

[graysblue]

Fair point GB but these days a 1000cc car can achieve high enough speeds to cause just as much carnage as a 3000cc car i am afraid.

The Daihatsu Charade GTti has a 993 cc, 3 cylinder, twin cam, fuel injected engine.
plus a SCREAMING TURBO!!!
99 bhp may not sound like a lot, but when you put it in a car that weighs the same as a bag of spanners, you get a 0-60 time of approximately 7.9 seconds (manufacturers estimate). Lets put this into perspective, you will beat BMW's (325i's) Escort and Fiesta RST's, and you will probably keep up with the Renault 5 GTT crew as well!

way round this is to make law the only cars any inexperienced driver can use is bog standard under 1000cc.

the motorbike thing was total carnage.

back then a pal of mine aged 17 and just recieved his provisional license purchased 250cc kawasaki machine,feck me this bike was truly mental with a top speed of around 130 with 0 to 60 around 4 seconds or less.

todays modern crop of inexperienced drivers at times make me chuckle and they should def not be charge of powerful cars.

 

[* ORM *]

I'd be all for this but in a sense of fairness how about upping the MWay limit to 80?

 

[steveo]

why not force this age group into only being allowed to drive small engined cars say up to 1000cc.

This is nearly the case for the younger ones anyway due to the massive Insurance premiums.

I thought the top gear article from Finland was interesting - basically it will take a youngster about 3 years to pass the driving test, and during that time they will have to have spent a certain amount of hours on a skid pan, learning car control.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

way round this is to make law the only cars any inexperienced driver can use is bog standard under 1000cc.

the motorbike thing was total carnage.

back then a pal of mine aged 17 and just recieved his provisional license purchased 250cc kawasaki machine,feck me this bike was truly mental with a top speed of around 130 with 0 to 60 around 4 seconds or less.

todays modern crop of inexperienced drivers at times make me chuckle and they should def not be charge of powerful cars.

Can car manufactures not fit some sort of a restrictor to the car that can only be removed by a qualified/certified garage once the driver can prove his age/driving experience.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

I'd be all for this but in a sense of fairness how about upping the MWay limit to 80?

I can see nothing wrong with that at all ORM

 

[steveo]

I'd be all for this but in a sense of fairness how about upping the MWay limit to 80?

As I understand it, as long as you are not driving erratically, the Old bill will generally ignore people doing 80 anyway. If you raised the limit to 80 people would just cruise at 90.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

This is nearly the case for the younger ones anyway due to the massive Insurance premiums.

I thought the top gear article from Finland was interesting - basically it will take a youngster about 3 years to pass the driving test, and during that time they will have to have spent a certain amount of hours on a skid pan, learning car control.

Agreed, i saw that as well, that young lad was having to demonstrate that he can control the car on a skid pan at a fair speed......bit different from "hit the brakes when i say now"

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

As I understand it, as long as you are not driving erratically, the Old bill will generally ignore people doing 80 anyway. If you raised the limit to 80 people would just cruise at 90.

You will have circumstances where someone travelling at 90mph on an empty motorway in the early hours of the morning in clear visibility would be liable for six points, when the fact is that it is very unlikely that they would threaten anyone's life or even their own

 

[graysblue]

interesting story in the local rag,

off duty police woman was nicked driving at 64mph in a 30 zone,she was only given a soppy fine because of some lame excuse.

she had 2 previous speeding convictions as well.

 

[Aberdeen Shrimper]

interesting story in the local rag,

off duty police woman was nicked driving at 64mph in a 30 zone,she was only given a soppy fine because of some lame excuse.

she had 2 previous speeding convictions as well.

Jeeeez, perks of my job are free samples from my suppliers, think I am in the wrong job!!!

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Well that's one way to empty the roads then! Jeesh, there'd be hardly any one left without points.......or, as in my situation, I'd be forced to take points earned by the other half.

That sounds very harsh,im wondering how he forces you to take his points.
Is it water torture or does he bag and tag you,i got done in france the other week and my wife took the rap not because i forced her but because i tend to do all the driving so it makes sense.
Next time try saying no,you never know it may be the start of something beautiful.

 

[Firestorm]

way round this is to make law the only cars any inexperienced driver can use is bog standard under 1000cc.

the motorbike thing was total carnage.

back then a pal of mine aged 17 and just recieved his provisional license purchased 250cc kawasaki machine,feck me this bike was truly mental with a top speed of around 130 with 0 to 60 around 4 seconds or less.

todays modern crop of inexperienced drivers at times make me chuckle and they should def not be charge of powerful cars.

The 250 Kwaker was sh*te, (the only one available before the law was changed was the KH250 a two stroke triple) and would barely break 90.
Pressure for the the law to be changed after the release of the Suzuki X7 (Replacing the old GT250) which clock over 100 mph on 3 of the 4 magazine tests of the time. Only one previous tester had managed to wring the magic ton out of a 250 before (The Yamaha RD 250). By the time legislation came in 1981 yamaha had released the RD250LC which consistantly topped 100

The Current batch of 250's are hardly any quicker although there are one or two highly tuned sports 250's which could touch 130.

The 16 year old Rider Moped Law was also changed around that time as the Sports moped produced from around 72 got round the idea of the original law and some could do upto 60 mph.

Currently you have to take a cbt before you can ride anything on 2 wheels, this (if you are over 17) will allow you to ride anything upto 125cc with 12.5bhp for two years on L plates. In this time you have to take a test or re-sit the CBT at the end of two years. Once you pass your test your are limited to 33bhp for two years or until you are 21 (whichever is longer) before you can move on to any bike. There is one loophole, currently being exploited by those over 21 and with a bit of money, that is if you are over 21 you can take an additional test (on a 50bhp Bike) which allows you to "upgrade" the licence . Personally i would like to see this route abolished as a number of people are doing 1 week CBT to Unlimited licence courses and jumping on serious machines with little training.

I feel that this structure should be replicated for cars too, maybe make learning only allowed in under 1000cc bog standard motors , then two years after passing up it to say 1.2 (but with a BHP limit) . Modifications to speed restrictors would be banned (an would get picked up on MOT's too) . Then Over 21 with 2 years licence maybe let them loose on the bigger cars.

Alternatively price them out of it by only allowing named drivers on policies to be over 25 and if someone has more than one vehicle in their name they cannot have named drivers on their policies...

 

[Pubey]

I'd be all for this but in a sense of fairness how about upping the MWay limit to 80?

yep I agree with this. Personally I think the focus should definitely be on people who speed in residential areas