The Labour Assassins and The Tory victory.

[Mad Cyril]

And how about a mention for some of your socialist heroes? Say Billy Brag for example. you can still, buy one of his 2 quid manufactured in the Philippines T Shirts for 19.95. How about Tony Benn who unfortunately died in his £750,000 West London flat after moving out of his £3M house presumably bought with the profits to the 10+ books he wrote, or maybe working class hero Russell Brand who moans about Amazon not paying enough tax but as we speak has 7 of his books on sale there.
if we are going to generalise lets include some of the people you admire so much.

you seem to be ignoring the fact that most of these loud mouth left wingers after happy to say you should share the wealth after they have made their own fortune.

How many people do you know that pay more tax than they are legally obliged to?

I don't know any.

 

[steveo]

How many people do you know that pay more tax than they are legally obliged to?

I don't know any.

Probably none but it doesn't mean every conservative voter is a tax dodger

 

[Mad Cyril]

Probably none but it doesn't mean every conservative voter is a tax dodger

I didn't say that. In my book if you play by the rules it's all fair game.

 

[steveo]

I didn't say that. In my book if you play by the rules it's all fair game.

Fair enough but of you take some of the people I mentioned who have played by the game, why do they start preaching/Discussing/whingeing about the wealthy after they have made their fortune?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

So, as I see it. Cameron won a Conservative majority because he frightened us with the image of millions of fiery, red-headed, kilted and marauding Scots, crossing Hadrian's Wall, wielding their Claymore's, raping and pillaging, until they arrived in London. (With freedom of movement in the European union we would have been powerless to stop them..........and God! we've got enough Pole's and Roumanians already.) There they were due to meet their co conspititor Mac Milliband, who was actually prepared to give them the keys of Westminster. This menace consequently resulted in hoards of blue-rinsed ladies and gentlemen, flocking to the polling booths in sheer unadulterated fear and re-electing the Bullingdon boys back to defend us. Don't think I've missed anything?

 

[Firestorm]

Plenty of Labour supporters were happy to sail over the horizon on a tide of rising property prices in the late 90's and early 00's and I didn't hear them calling for help for those left behind.....

exactly, thinking about the impact ones actions are having on society/ your community/ others is gone and its becoming all about me me me . Whether its litter in the streets ("I didnt want to carry it home") , smoke bombs at football ("I liked it ") or voting in an election ("They are the best party for me"") etc.

There must still be a place for thinking about others in our community when we vote , I mean, even UKIP were trying to hide their bigotry behind the "its best for the country" message

 

[number11]

Maybe I'm naive but I think a majority of people would love there to be a wonderful NHS, help for those that need it etc. The issue is that they had no faith that labour would be able to deliver those things. I certainly didn't. Id have loved for there to have been an option on my ballot paper for a party that would make a better society, help those in need, give opportunities to businesses and ensure the NHS is well funded buy not bloated with middle managers and pen pushers.

In the absence of having any faith in labour do you a) not vote b) protest vote c) vote for a party that you think might at least keep a grip on the economy in the hope that it created jobs and stability? To simply label all people who vote conservative uncaring and selfish seems very narrow minded.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Such anger and bitterness.

i voted Conservative because capitalism and free markets have lifted four billion people out of absolute poverty and there is 250 years of evidence to suggest it is the best economic system to raise living standards for the highest number of people.

Price and income controls and tax and spend fiscal policy as advocated by the Labour Party have almost always resulted in declining living standards.

i don't doubt Miliband's intentions I just think his methods are wrong. If you think I'm selfish without knowing anything about me it is entirely your right. I feel sorry for you though that you believe people that disagree with you are either evil or intellectually inferior.

Spot on. It's a shame the Left can't accept defeat graciously. Socialism doesn't work and never has. It makes everyone poorer. Free-market capitalism ain't perfect and there are always going to be people who fall on hard times but it's sure the best system we have. We have the fastest-growing economy in the western world, record employment, more good/outstanding schools, huge growth in apprenticeships, people on low incomes paying less tax etc. Why jeopardize that?

37% of the population are not baby-eating, poor-hating, tax-avoiding evil millionaires who want the NHS gone. Most Tory voters are decent ordinary people who work hard. And it's extremely insulting to suggest that people voted for them because Rupert Murdoch told them to. Who reads newspapers nowadays anyway?

The silent majority have spoken.

 

[RHB]

Spot on. It's a shame the Left can't accept defeat graciously. Socialism doesn't work and never has. It makes everyone poorer. Free-market capitalism ain't perfect and there are always going to be people who fall on hard times but it's sure the best system we have. We have the fastest-growing economy in the western world, record employment, more good/outstanding schools, huge growth in apprenticeships, people on low incomes paying less tax etc. Why jeopardize that?

37% of the population are not baby-eating, poor-hating, tax-avoiding evil millionaires who want the NHS gone. Most Tory voters are decent ordinary people who work hard. And it's extremely insulting to suggest that people voted for them because Rupert Murdoch told them to. Who reads newspapers nowadays anyway?

The silent majority have spoken.

That's a pretty sweeping statement. If you are into being specific I would like you to show me why Socialism has never worked? It did a pretty good job of introducing the NHS system after WW2. Don't get me wrong, this country does tend to favour capitalism and there is nothing wrong in that, but by rubbishing Socialism you are in danger of being a blinkered as those you complain about.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Spot on. It's a shame the Left can't accept defeat graciously. Socialism doesn't work and never has. It makes everyone poorer. Free-market capitalism ain't perfect and there are always going to be people who fall on hard times but it's sure the best system we have. We have the fastest-growing economy in the western world, record employment, more good/outstanding schools, huge growth in apprenticeships, people on low incomes paying less tax etc. Why jeopardize that?

37% of the population are not baby-eating, poor-hating, tax-avoiding evil millionaires who want the NHS gone. Most Tory voters are decent ordinary people who work hard. And it's extremely insulting to suggest that people voted for them because Rupert Murdoch told them to. Who reads newspapers nowadays anyway?

The silent majority have spoken.

If you want to criticise people for being ungracious you should probably try to be a bit gracious about it.

 

[Firestorm]

Spot on. Socialism doesn't work and never has. It makes everyone poorer. Free-market capitalism ain't perfect and there are always going to be people who fall on hard times but it's sure the best system we have. We have the fastest-growing economy in the western world, record employment, more good/outstanding schools, huge growth in apprenticeships, people on low incomes paying less tax etc. Why jeopardize that?

37% of the population are not baby-eating, poor-hating, tax-avoiding evil millionaires who want the NHS gone. Most Tory voters are decent ordinary people who work hard.

The silent majority have spoken.

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post war socialism certainly worked, without it we wouldn't have the NHS for example.
People may have not got mega rich, but fewer people died of poverty related illnesses.
but , tbh, ones opinion does depend on what you want, and it would appear that the majority (if you can call 30 odd percent of the 60 odd percent of those who voted a majority) have priorities which place society below self, That is their perogative, its a democracy after all, but I am unsure that its social progress...

 

[number11]

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post war socialism certainly worked, without it we wouldn't have the NHS for example.
People may have not got mega rich, but fewer people died of poverty related illnesses.
but , tbh, ones opinion does depend on what you want, and it would appear that the majority (if you can call 30 odd percent of the 60 odd percent of those who voted a majority) have priorities which place society below self, That is their perogative, its a democracy after all, but I am unsure that its social progress...

I'm still confused why those of apparent left leanings make such sweeping statements against those who voted conservative as acting in self interest. Surely only a minuscule percentage are trust fund inheriters, with offshore tax dodges living in their £2million plus mansion. Surely the majority of conservative voters don't fit this category. If someone who is not a small business owner voted blue because they thought that gave small businesses the best chance to thrive, create jobs etc and benefit 'society' that way, why does that make them selfish? Does that make them any more selfish than someone on benefits who votes red as they think it will increase THEIR benefits (not worrying about others on benefits).

The suggestion that Tory = selfish seems too simplistic, especially as huge swathes on both sides are likely to feel unaffected by which side won.

 

[steveo]

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and it would appear that the majority (if you can call 30 odd percent of the 60 odd percent of those who voted a majority) have priorities which place society below self

So everyone who voted Conservative has this view then? I thought you would have been a bit more open minded than that and to be fair your assumption is complete bullocks.
If society prospers we all prosper and if some prosper more than others, maybe that could be an incentive for others to aim for, if of course that's what they want.

Its also worth pointing out that not everyone basis happiness on how much money they have and we are not all involved in the money chase.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Maybe I'm naive but I think a majority of people would love there to be a wonderful NHS, help for those that need it etc. The issue is that they had no faith that labour would be able to deliver those things. I certainly didn't. Id have loved for there to have been an option on my ballot paper for a party that would make a better society, help those in need, give opportunities to businesses and ensure the NHS is well funded buy not bloated with middle managers and pen pushers.

In the absence of having any faith in labour do you a) not vote b) protest vote c) vote for a party that you think might at least keep a grip on the economy in the hope that it created jobs and stability? To simply label all people who vote conservative uncaring and selfish seems very narrow minded.

The idea that the Tories can somehow manage the NHS or Social Services better than Labour is just a sick joke.

 

[number11]

The idea that the Tories can somehow manage the NHS or Social Services better than Labour is just a sick joke.

You have obviously misunderstood my point. The bit you have highlighted in bold was an aspiration that I considered no party offered (in my opInion of course).

 

[A Century United]

The idea that the Tories can somehow manage the NHS or Social Services better than Labour is just a sick joke.

No it's not. The choice is between incompetence and indifference. Both awful choices.

 

[RHB]

It's good that those of a Conservative persuasion have provided reasoned argument that Tories are not all self centred folk. I didn't think for a moment they were. No one has yet provided me with evidence that Socialism has never worked in this country, when clearly the evidence of the NHS shows that it has.

 

[number11]

No it's not. The choice is between incompetence and indifference. Both awful choices.

Precisely, a big failure of the labour party (not socialism per se) was their inability to convince people they'd be remotely competent.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Precisely, a big failure of the labour party (not socialism per se) was their inability to convince people they'd be remotely competent.

You mean like it did in 1945,1964,1966,1974 (twice),1997 etc?

 

[number11]

It's good that those of a Conservative persuasion have provided reasoned argument that Tories are not all self centred folk. I didn't think for a moment they were. No one has yet provided me with evidence that Socialism has never worked in this country, when clearly the evidence of the NHS shows that it has.

Sadly a number of people have suggested that in thread.